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Surprise surprise; ANOTHER update: A rant about the constant change

Mod Legendary 77··2 votes·1,107 views

So I may be on a bit of a rant here but honestly if you disagree with me go ahead and say so; I'm going to voice my opinion and I want to hear the full voice of both sides on this; the issue at hand today is just the constant change to League of Legends. Every week for the past like 6 fucking years.

I don't know about you but I'm not too much a fan of change when it comes to League; changing the meta every 2 weeks and making us adapt to dealing with the retarded strong changes you make; or the equally weak changes you make.

It gets old so fucking fast. Especially when they fuck with the champions. Most of my old favorite champions have just been bent over and fucked by the long dick of Riot. Katarina fucking useless; Fiora fucking useless; Lee Sin fucking useless; Rengar fucking useless; Gangplank fucking useless. And those are just champs I played; not to mention the massive list of other champs that are basically completely different champs then they were 3 or 4 years ago. When was the last time you saw a Kassadin? How about an Aatrox? Soraka? Olaf? Karthus? Yorick? What the fuck happened to wards? I can't think of anything stupider than the removal of wards; except maybe the complete BUTCHERING OF JUNGLE in season 5. Although that might actually be rivaled by the removal of runes and masteries; which is without a doubt the stupidest of all recent changes. Why the hell are their berries and flowers littered around the map? Why is there a giant toad sitting across from blue buff? Why do towers have retardedly OP armor? Why is heal such a shit spell? Where the hell is revive? What happened to boot enchantments? What the hell happened to the layout of the forums?

I can probably list about 0 changes over the past 5 years that I actually found improved the game. Riot's driving League into the ground like Jagex did with Runescape; PEOPLE DON'T LIKE CHANGE. It's just getting ridiculous; let people play the game rather than make us adapt to your retarded ideas. Stop getting stoned off your ass and thinking up ideas.

Again; both sides feel free to weigh in on this discussion.

18 Comments

DearPear2 votes

Frequent change has been in the core of the game for years already. I get that you don't like that part of the game, but it's nothing new and it's inherent to the experience.

Mod Legendary 771 votes

It doesn't have to be; especially at the scale Riot does it at. When they would change masteries at the beginning of every season and nerf a couple retarded OP champs like Fizz, Elise, etc, it was fine; I'd say definitely acceptable. But when they completely butcher vital parts of the game; like what they did to jungle in season 5; or the removal of wards; or the removal of runes and masteries; it completely fucks with the game and degrades the quality of play.

Sure champion changes don't effect the gameplay as much but sometimes it's almost like they've removed the champion. I'll bring up Katarina specifically as she used to be my favorite champion; she was a bit strong I will admit and it might have been fine to nerf her; but to completely butcher who she is is a dick move on Riot's part. Her passive was vital to who she is, now it's trash; her Q was her strongest move, it no longer marks them with dagger and only bounces twice; her W... do I even need to explain that atrocity? Her E, seriously, ward hopping was probably the best thing about Katarina; and to my knowledge I believe her ult's damage was nerfed. Now again as I said she could have gone for a nerf; even though her squishyness made up for her damage output; but to completely destroy her whole champion ruins it for anyone who liked playing her; if they wanted a champion like she is now they might as well have made a new champion as she's currently so different that Katarina as a champion really doesn't exist anymore. And yes I am clearly biased towards her; but I used her as an example of how even the seemingly little changes ruin things for the players of this game.

DrCyanide2 votes

I'm fine with Change, it's excessive change that gets me.

Last night I was talking with my wife and realized that the League of Legends I loved to play was completely dead and gone. Sure, we've got League of Legends 8.11, and we'll have League of Legends 8.12, and 8.13, and 8.14, and patch after patch after patch.... but the game that I enjoyed playing with my friends is gone. I can't give you and exact patch where it went away (although I still remember the Juggernaut update as "the beginning of the end" personally), but it's gone now. And I can't get it back.

I want to get back into League of Legends, but the League of Legends I know is dead. I'm trying to figure out League of Legends 8.11, but it's just not the same game anymore and I'm honestly having a hard time finding the drive to re-learn this game when it's not drawing me in like it use to.

I came pretty close to writing an "I quit League of Legends" post last night over this realization. Happy for the people who can enjoy this new game, but my heart longs for a game that I apparently can't have back.

Mod Legendary 772 votes

This is exactly what I feel; I remember when my buddy in High School introduced me to League in season 3; it was such a crazy good game and unlike anything I'd ever played before; I've never had so much fun at a game I'm so bad at; the climb to level 30 felt like it took forever even though it was only like 200 games. Everything about Season 3 was so League of Legends; remember 2 bush top lane? Anyone who was pro had been playing since preseason 1. There weren't champs with stupid weird abilities like Bard, Illaoi, Tahm Kench, etc; the game was ruled by Mordekaiser, Lee Sin, Kassadin, Ryze, etc. True League of Legends doesn't exist anymore; it's like the nostalgia I have from playing Runescape in 2007 as a kid; Runescape doesn't exist either. Both games have been shot into the ether of over-editing game designers who are just trying to prove they're not getting paid to sit around. It's a really unfortunate demise for both games; even if Riot makes more money now; they still destroyed their own game for a few extra bucks.

Devèstation2 votes

I am sorry, but I completely disagree with almost everything you said wholeheartedly.

[{quoted}](name=Mod Legendary 77,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XYcWiAtE,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-06-05T16:12:07.495+0000)

It gets old so fucking fast. Especially when they fuck with the champions. Most of my old favorite champions have just been bent over and fucked by the long dick of Riot. Katarina fucking useless; Fiora fucking useless; Lee Sin fucking useless; Rengar fucking useless; Gangplank fucking useless. And those are just champs I played; not to mention the massive list of other champs that are basically completely different champs then they were 3 or 4 years ago. When was the last time you saw a Kassadin? How about an Aatrox? Soraka? Olaf? Karthus? Yorick?

Fiora, Lee Sin, and Rengar are all not useless at all, I see all of them at least once every 5 games and can count on one hand how many I have seen do badly, at least out of those that actually try and are not trolling. Katarina is still annoying, but is outclassed by AD assassins mid which I can see why it would make you angry. Gangplank... well, you got me there. He really has not had a place anywhere since his nerf after his rework. (This isn't to say he can't carry or be good, but his kit is weak right now.)

Also, I see Olaf fairly often, especially recently. I also see Karthus and Yorick every once in a while. The other 2 you mentioned are just not in the meta. It is hard to balance 120+ characters around each other and keep every single one relevant.

[{quoted}](name=Mod Legendary 77,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XYcWiAtE,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-06-05T16:12:07.495+0000) What the fuck happened to wards? I can't think of anything stupider than the removal of wards; except maybe the complete BUTCHERING OF JUNGLE in season 5. Although that might actually be rivaled by the removal of runes and masteries; which is without a doubt the stupidest of all recent changes. Why the hell are their berries and flowers littered around the map? Why is there a giant toad sitting across from blue buff? Why do towers have retardedly OP armor? Why is heal such a shit spell? Where the hell is revive? What happened to boot enchantments? What the hell happened to the layout of the forums?

To answer all of these questions in order, as best as I can

  1. Wards are still in the game in the form of trinkets and support items. They made the ward change simply because they and all supports ever thought it wasn't fair that they were the only ones expected to ward, and they were expected to ward EVERYWHERE. This change made it so everyone had wards at the beginning and no one had an excuse to not be warding. You'll be able to tell who is good and bad by looking at their vision score. 9 times out of 10, if someone has a vision score of over 20 as someone that isn't a support, you will find their gameplay to be above par.

  2. Why not? Giving the map a new, natural, slightly brighter look made the map a lot more bearable to look at. It is almost downright beautiful if you take the time to notice the small things.

  3. Again, why not? The lore of these continents and this world is going to be vastly different than ours, but it is also similar. They thought a giant toad would fit. I suppose it's a bit arbitrary, but I'd say it was a decent choice.

  4. SO YOU CAN'T DO A CHEESE 5-MAN TOWER KILL AT LEVEL 1. I was super grateful when they made this change, you have no idea.

  5. Heal isn't a shit spell, almost every ADC either takes it, ignite, or barrier (with the first 2 being the most common.) It has a very solid place in this game, and I think its power is just right, if not maybe a little weak because of the cooldown.

  6. Revive was the most cheese of all spells. It caused someone to be able to revive immediately at lv 18, and when you are in the enemy base and get an ace just to have the enemy ADC revive and clean up everyone that is low, it feels like the spell is very unfair. We already have teleport, which can get you basically anywhere on the map, and negates any early advantage you get from kills other than the extra gold.

  7. Boot enchantments are a mystery to me as to where they went. I always assumed they were just too powerful, or didn't fit into the theme of the game. I am not 100% sure though. You got me here.

  8. The layout of the forums has improved dramatically. I don't see what you are complaining about here.

But this is just my 2 cents. Take it how you will.

Mod Legendary 772 votes

I love the time you put into your comment.
Regarding the whole ward thing that's exactly my issue with the removal of them. I was and still am one of the few people who consistently bought wards; I even picked up a sightstone almost everygame and I was jungle main which gave my team a huge advantage. I always felt that if youre too dumb to buy wards than you deserve to die your preventable deaths.

Regarding how the map looks I suppose it's personal opinion; I just miss the nostalgic Season 3 look

Giant Toad I honestly didn't mind too much I just throught it was kind of pointless

Honestly, I still stand on my tower point; I prefer being able to nuke towers pretty easy.

Heal used to be a lot stronger, I think it used to heal everyone nearby and also increased move speed a lot more

Boot enchantments just made boots a lot more worth and really the removal doesnt make sense

And regarding the forums; this http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1995454 version of forums was much better. General Discussion used to be the bomb.

Hinestly I still stand in my point of Katarina being a shit champ now, basically reworked to ass. I dont mind Kassadin being gone as I found him annoying but I'd be irked if I was a Kassadin player. Lee Sin is okay but he used to be so fun in Season 3, a literal rapefest on the enemy jungler. Olaf's okay but he used to be a top ban and i barely even see him anymore. I haven't even seen a Karthus in god knows how long.

The champion changes are all subjective but for the people who like the champions I'm sure they're a big deal just like how if you see my other comment the Katarina nerfs were a big deal to me.

Again this is all just in the spirit of opinionated debate feel free to shit on anything I said

Devèstation2 votes

Regarding the whole ward thing that's exactly my issue with the removal of them. I was and still am one of the few people who consistently bought wards; I even picked up a sightstone almost everygame and I was jungle main which gave my team a huge advantage. I always felt that if youre too dumb to buy wards than you deserve to die your preventable deaths.

I guess it isn't much better now than it was then, but at the same time it made people flame supports less, and as a support main, that was very very welcome.

Regarding how the map looks I suppose it's personal opinion; I just miss the nostalgic Season 3 look

Understandable, and the map wasn't terrible back then. I just do personally like the current art style. It fits the rift so much better, and it wasn't left in the dust like some games keep their maps.

Giant Toad I honestly didn't mind too much I just throught it was kind of pointless

As I said, it was definitely a little arbitrary. They could have put a unicorn there, or a bear or something. But a giant frog is cool too.

Honestly, I still stand on my tower point; I prefer being able to nuke towers pretty easy.

It was a balance change, it made early game more about kills and ganks and not "How can we kill this tower in 5 mintues?".

Heal used to be a lot stronger, I think it used to heal everyone nearby and also increased move speed a lot more

It never healed everyone from my memory. The movespeed may have been higher, but really the only change I know is that they reduced the healing a minor amount and increased the cooldown because it was dominating all other spells as an ADC and they wanted some kind of variety.

Boot enchantments just made boots a lot more worth and really the removal doesnt make sense

Yeah you are right. It also added more to spend your gold on. I don't personally like that when you are full build, all you can do is buy a 500g elixir and then use the rest of the gold to wipe your ass.

And regarding the forums; this http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1995454 version of forums was much better. General Discussion used to be the bomb.

I am simply saying the layout of these boards are so much better than the forums, and it is aesthetically more pleasing.

Hinestly I still stand in my point of Katarina being a shit champ now, basically reworked to ass. I dont mind Kassadin being gone as I found him annoying but I'd be irked if I was a Kassadin player. Lee Sin is okay but he used to be so fun in Season 3, a literal rapefest on the enemy jungler. Olaf's okay but he used to be a top ban and i barely even see him anymore. I haven't even seen a Karthus in god knows how long.

Everyone mentioned here has a niche, and again, it isn't easy at all to balance every single one of the 120+ champs around eachother AND make them all viable. I can't blame Riot for not being able to do it. The real champs you never see anymore are Elise Kassadin Lissandra Nidalee Vi Zilean, just to name a few.

Mod Legendary 771 votes

Yeah trinkets I suppose are a dope buff for supports as i remember the flame fests supports used to get if they didnt have just a straight support build and hella wards. But one thing you have to agree with is the ward cap was annoying, unlimited wards were useful as hell

Regarding the heal thing I was just going off memory so yeah I'm probably wrong about healing everyone; but I definitely loved the point where the meta went from barrier to heal after the heal buff; it was much too brief before Riot nerfed heal again.

Forums I suppose are personal opinion, I just got really used to old forums and never use these ones.

Tower thing I supposed changed strategy but personally I think the amount they buffed towers was pretty extreme

Regarding the champions I just think Riot nerfed the older champs just so people would spend RP and IP on the newer champions; notice how it's only older champs that fall out of meta? They constantly release new champs that are OP and then nerf the shit out of them after a few weeks; Yasuo for example. Riot is motivated by money which I understand, but it still affects the game.

Mod Legendary 771 votes

Bump

KZ Engel1 votes

the whole point of "games as a service" is to keep players interested with constant changes

and league has been constantly changing for the past 8+ years

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