Practice Mode Expansion

Zues12345678·May 22, 2019·2 votes·1,487 views

There are a lot of people, myself included, who don't really like ranked. Everybody has there own reasons on why they don't like it, such as inting or bad sportsmanship or whatnot. This got me thinking- why don't we expand on the Practice Mode (which isn't used at all) into a ranked -liked experience? It would be awesome to play against a team of Silver or Gold ranked players to hone my skills. Or if you're really good, go against a team of Challenger ranked players. The enemy bots could be modeled around the average ranked player with each champion, such as a Bronze ranked Ashe player. For higher ranked bots, they could be modeled around one-tricks and current/past professional players. Wouldn't be awesome to see if you could CS against Sneaky or Perkz and see how well you do? This could be an awesome mode for all players, new and old, noobs and pros, to practice their skills liked Ranked without the Ranked stuff no one likes.

4 Comments

AIQMay 22, 20191 votes

The problem is bots are not humans. Bots cannot jungle, the amount of AI capabilities would far bypass anything the best tech developers have now. This would be an insanely powerful AI. Why? This AI could determine the best lane to gank, when to farm, track the enemy with out vision, path correctly, determine ganking around objectives, when to do baron/dragon vs pushing ganking or farming or going back to base. Etc.

AI are simply not capable of such a complex role. Maybe in 100 years, but not today, if one did exist they would definitely not be using it on the practice tool. Even Google Deep mind is not that advanced.

Wave manipulation, aside from the colossal hurdle of Jungle, controlling a wave is extremely valuable, atm the bots just decide between attacking you and the wave. Adding things like, when to freeze, when to push, should I get that Cannon? are all extremely niche scenarios that require a ton of factors.

What you are doing. While Bots could technically predict what tier fellow bots are doing and follow a script, they cannot script you. If the bot knows what to do when you pick ANY jungle root, and you end up in a lane, it has no idea what to do next.

In short League is far to complex to have bots that can accurately simulate humans.

MercalenMay 22, 20191 votes

As former dota player, i want to ask your opinion on OpenAI bots by Tesla that developed their own style of game . What makes then work in dota 2, but making similar bots and machine learning them for Lol isn't an option. Is it some technical difficulties like jungle being an actual role in LoL ( r.i.p legion commander with iron talon) or just no interest in making another one for LoL because,AFAIK, dota 2 OpenAI was produced for testing ai capabilities for IRL tasks

AIQMay 22, 20191 votes

As former dota player,

I have like 5 hours of Dota game play.

What makes then work in dota 2, but making similar bots and machine learning them for Lol isn't an option.

I'm sure we could throw some bots in there and they'd "do stuff" even learn a way to play, but hes asking for challenger level bots. Ones that make choices for every situation you can come across. That's the impossibility, we have bots now they are just garbage just like Dotas.

Is it some technical difficulties like jungle being an actual role in LoL ( r.i.p legion commander with iron talon) or just no interest in making another one for LoL because,AFAIK, dota 2 OpenAI was produced for testing ai capabilities for IRL tasks

Aside from the difficulty of making a jungler AI, it's just that they wont ever be good. It's not like Chess where it's one choice given the board. It's multiple choices given a variety of factors. Something we do without thinking is taking the shortest route, but we know that if an enemy is in the way when now know what's the shortest safest route, since we know where the enemy might go. Programming or Machine learning that simple thing is a huge undertaking, but that's 1 thing you do in league.

MercalenMay 22, 20191 votes

I was talking about me being former dota player). But points are fair enough. You can watch OpenAI tornament on dota if you want further investigate it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Riz08oLes5w They are far from garbage and just smashed pro players ( Tho later some people found a way to abuse their model of thinking https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-_NF7uTcbA ) but challenger bots in nowadays league is far from reality because someone will find how to abuse them and, ofc, someone actually need to make them