Countermeasures for hidden and stealthed champs. (Oracle Lens upgrades could work)

Minjan Nan3314··2 votes·731 views

Hi!

My only concern for the gameplay except small bugs and constant tweaking of champs to keep them balanced is that some stealth champs can't be counterd. Eg. Vayne and Twich, they can't be attacked while in stealth. This is good for the respective champs of course since they need some kind of protection but it kinda cuts the other teams chances to kill them to very small margins. In many normal games Vayne gets strong at late game but now she's op at only lvl 6. This makes it very hard for players to counter it since you can't hit her and thus you need a very big chunk of luck (or lvl's) to actually beat her. There is some options that can change this positively or negatively. For exampel you could decrease the duration of stealths or fix marks (hints) when champs go into stealth to give enemy champs a fair chance to hit or survive against them. Or you just ignore this whole discussion and move on, thinking that half decent players have to survive on their own. The best way in my opinion to go with would be to throw in an upgrade or just intruduce a new item from the ingame store to challange stealth champs and players. This way stealth champs and stealth players will have a harder time and would have to be more active and tactic about their situation instead of unfairly taking out an unprepeared or prepeared opponent alike. A great item which could be upgraded is the Oracle Lens. Right now it can spot an enemy in hiding or stealth but it won't show the enemy as "hitable" therefore the target survives while you get killed even though you could have killed it had you been able to hit it. Why is OL such a good choice to get upgraded without affecting the overall game? Well it's because it has a limited time of activness in other words it can't be used constantly in a rapid succesion instead it can only be used a few seconds untill it gets on cd. Also it takes up the ward spot replacing the wards. This way you balance it's seeking abilites and prevents it to become unstoppable for stealth players by exchanging the longer timed wards which helps you get a clue on where enemies are and so on.

Hope the development team at lest takes notice for the hardship most bot lanes and endgame teams have when facing a stealth champ. Much love to y'all!

See ya!

4 Comments

Pika Fox1 votes

We dont need options to counter stealth, stealth itself solves that issue

Most like twitch dont have stealth, they have camoflague, which can be seen by anyone nearby.

Others, like vayne, get stealth stealth, but almost always in a limited fasion on an ult (or because theyre melee and kinda need it, the exception is rengar who gets a free jump)

R3GULAToR1 votes

there is an item in game that counters stealth item 2047

Kazekiba2 votes

{quoted} there is an item in game that counters stealth item 2047

Thats only in ARAM.

[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=XHeayf0x,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-24T15:43:53.243+0000) Most like twitch dont have stealth, they have camoflague, which can be seen by anyone nearby.

Others, like vayne, get stealth stealth, but almost always in a limited fasion on an ult

Stealthed champions shimmer when you hit them with skillshots, and you can still damage/CC them.

And more specifically, the Camoflauge/Stealth distinction is largely on duration - Evelynn and Twitch can cross the map and move around a lot, so they get Camo. Teemo and Akali are confined to specific locations (brush/standing stll, shroud) so they can get regular stealth.

Rengar gets an indicator of 1200 units so while you cant actually see him per se, you get an idea that he's nearby unless he's in a brush - But this isn't stealth, he's just in a brush like any other champion.

Exception being Shaco, who gets a decent duration amount of stealth that doesn't confine him to a specific location but this is so he can approach the back of someone for his Q crits. Camoflauge makes that impossible as he'd be revealed long before he could ever auto anything and it would be pointless to even have.

wolvius1 votes

Do you really want another thing to get the grievous effect, a stat gets easy to counter and buffed to offset it.

V8.9 Mundi Sadism (ult) Total health regenerated increased to 50 / 75 / 100% of maximum health from 40 / 50 / 60%.

Do you know why Riot tried to give akali true stealth? because so many things could counter it, hell LeeSin has two basic abilities that grant "true vision" to the whole team.

I agree Vayne is a pain, but that is a combination of %Max HP true damage and spammable stealth due to balance changes (read: skin-sales)

If such an item existed it can't be for free like oracle trinket, it has such a low cooldown late-game and its not rare to see at least two in a team.

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