It doesn't feel like you get outplayed anymore, just out-champion-ed.

nash55·Nov 29, 2019·62 votes·15,305 views

You're trying to play a fun but old champ ? Oh shieeeet, sorry m8, the enemy is playing a riot approved broken champ so you just lose. I haven't touched udyr almost this whole season. I feel like a fuckin' fool running at people and they jump over walls then backwards then back at me and then to my god damn nexus.

Tanky stats don't mean shiet, "supports" doing more dmg than some mid laners and you can't itemize against all this shoved dmg into the game, only to staying alive for like 1 second more.

Then you have champs that build full ad and heal more than you deal 'cuz hihi I'm an overloaded new champ.

Nothing makes sense anymore. Game just feels like one big coin flip.

71 Comments

KVbqbFsC8eNov 29, 201937 votes

You use Udyr as an example, but do you think anyone has ever felt "outplayed" when they were killed by a Udyr?

option paralysisNov 29, 201918 votes

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You use Udyr as an example, but do you think anyone has ever felt "outplayed" when they were killed by a Udyr?

I missed the part where udyr jumps 15 walls and kills you while being stealthed.

KVbqbFsC8eNov 29, 20196 votes

Well hopefully you didn't miss that Steam sale with your new PC.

option paralysisNov 29, 20196 votes

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Well hopefully you didn't miss that Steam sale with your new PC.

my bad, I forgot YOU banned me from this forum. I shall forever be in your debt man, you're a god among men. I shall excuse myself forever out of these forums, I forgot I am eternally banned.

Kai GuyNov 30, 20196 votes

Was that from the same thread where the guy going on about quitting the game got hella salty some one said "see you next week?"

KVbqbFsC8eNov 30, 20194 votes

It was a thread he made complaining that everything dies in ".3 seconds". He said he was done with this game and that there was a Steam sale and he got a new PC. I think there may have been someone saying see you next week, but it seems the thread was deleted.

LanceTheMightyNov 30, 20195 votes

LOL I remember that thread, you linked a post from 3 years ago about him complaining about tanks. "You asked for it" Actually the funniest thing I've seen on the boards.

option paralysisNov 30, 20197 votes

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LOL I remember that thread, you linked a post from 3 years ago about him complaining about tanks. "You asked for it" Actually the funniest thing I've seen on the boards.

It was funny yes that some random idiot went through the last 3 years of my post history to make a point that doesnt even make sense. Fuckin psychos

Sewer SideNov 30, 20196 votes

Mad because it was valid?

option paralysisNov 30, 20195 votes

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It was a thread he made complaining that everything dies in ".3 seconds". He said he was done with this game and that there was a Steam sale and he got a new PC. I think there may have been someone saying see you next week, but it seems the thread was deleted.

Youre a creeper actually , looking my last post going back 3 years... who the fuk does that, I dont care what you posted a day ago. And the key words are 3 fuckin years ago, what the hell does that have to do with anything.

SweetShiroNekoNov 30, 20192 votes

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Youre a creeper actually , looking my last post going back 3 years... who the fuk does that, I dont care what you posted a day ago. And the key words are 3 fuckin years ago, what the hell does that have to do with anything.

Its called being stalked by a random guys who doesnt have a life outside these boards.

Lazy GrandpaNov 30, 20193 votes

that's not stalking, that's just being smart at arguing or debating with people. you use their own words against them. it works really well. you'll see it in politics, court, anywhere really

LegacyDAPNov 30, 20191 votes

but "haha no life loser virgin looking at my post history so he can beat my arguments" is a better argument.

option paralysisNov 30, 20195 votes

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Was that from the same thread where the guy going on about quitting the game got hella salty some one said "see you next week?"

I got hella salty ? this is some korean drama going over here.

JustA kleoNov 30, 20193 votes

eune dude, i know you have no pride or shame, but if you say the game is shit and you quit cause steam sale, cant you at least pretend to not check the boards anymore instead of posting like you spent half your day here?

option paralysisNov 30, 20191 votes

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eune dude, i know you have no pride or shame, but if you say the game is shit and you quit cause steam sale, cant you at least pretend to not check the boards anymore instead of posting like you spent half your day here?

why would I have no pride and shame ? why would I need to pretend that I don't check the boards of the game I played for the last 6 years ? because of 2 morons that think they're smart ? yeah right LOL I post couple comments and "it seems like you spend half your day here" . are you guys trolling or you're actually that dumb ?

TehNACHONov 29, 201920 votes

Lmao this.

Udyr is one of the pinnacle examples of Champion Counterpicks into Yi or weak early game Junglers, while at the same time having virtually no mechanical depth to "Outplay" somebody.

FragglerocNov 30, 20191 votes

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Lmao this.

Udyr is one of the pinnacle examples of Champion Counterpicks into Yi or weak early game Junglers, while at the same time having virtually no mechanical depth to "Outplay" somebody.

You're trivialising... every champion has some depth.

have u seen Garen a SIMPLE champ played at top level... Udyr is the same... every champ is the same.

PiVoRxNov 30, 20193 votes

tbh if you get killed by a champion that can do as much as baron powered minion then you shall consider uninstalling LoL is not a WoW where you got 30 skills and macros, every champion have only 4 abilities, if you got issues using only 4 buttons then problem is with you

LanceTheMightyNov 30, 20195 votes

Udyr is actually strong asf in 1v1's, thats why hes the number one counter jungler. Junglers dont have turrets protecting them.

PiVoRxNov 30, 20193 votes

Hes strong 1v1 if he somehow manages to initiate one, what can stupid Udyr do to things like Ekko or Lee Sin?

LanceTheMightyNov 30, 20196 votes

Neither of those two champs can 1v1 udyr, they are forced to run away and concede their camps, unless they have their team coming.

AhernfVyNov 30, 20192 votes

Ekko can EASILY duel Udyr and completely shit on him because he will ALWAYS be fighting on Ekko's terms unless he SUPER misplayed it. Ekko has two slows a stun and god forbid you somehow get caught up to, a movement speed boost for some god damn unknown reason. Oh and a second life so that his team can come help him if all of that somehow manages to fail.

As for Lee? Again you will ALWAYS be fighting on his terms because if he's losing a fight he can either dash away or press R and he's out of the fight. And if he's winning? Well you just lose because if you use your flash Lee is probably coming with you whether it be with his Q or ward hop.

PRoxy oQNov 30, 20194 votes

lmfao. He ran at me stunned me and and the ran at me and stunned me i felt outplayed by raw stats and no skill.... ...shoots landing. I remember that one!

Worst JG WinsNov 30, 20193 votes

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lmfao. He ran at me stunned me and and the ran at me and stunned me i felt outplayed by raw stats and no skill.... ...shoots landing. I remember that one!

He abused my vision gap and found a flank, then he ran at me dodge my CC. Then dodge my CC a second time. But i'm gonna complain anyways cause i can't accept someone playing a champ with a simple kit can actually outplay me

PRoxy oQNov 30, 20194 votes

Lmfao I don't know single champion that can out-trade brain-dead kit of run into u much dmg much tanky much cc 7 iq plays like Udyr Volibear have. has cc can land it till still lose Camille as well JarvanIV as well as Jax etc. they all lose early trades to brain dead kits Vi even have armor. Fact is none is interested in playing vs them so we just ignore and farm till theirs brain dead kits are useless in team-fights.

You said fun and old champion so i presume you like running at ppl and killing them bcs there is no real outrade early to it aside from using mobility to kite away.

''running at people and they jump over walls then backwards then back at me and then to my god damn nexus.'' seams ur mad bcs you don't abuse vision and cool-downs instead peref to run and faceroll.

Worst JG WinsNov 30, 20191 votes

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Lmfao I don't know single champion that can out-trade brain-dead kit of run into u much dmg much tanky much cc 7 iq plays

Insults aren't arguments. Refusing to accept Udyr's mechanical room for outplays doesn't make them not exist. Just cause you refuse to learn how to disengage when he has Tiger on 3 so he needs to use bear to gap close back onto you and he loses a ton of damage in doing so doesn't mean you can't outplay him. Refusing to learn how his stances have global cooldowns windows to hit him with poke when he can't just use turtle stance shield to block the damage doesn't mean he doesn't have mechanics that can be outplayed. It means you refuse to learn how to play against a very basic kit.

You said fun and old champion so i presume you like running at ppl and killing them bcs there is no real outrade early to it aside from using mobility to kite away.

I said nothing like that. You're confusing me with someone else.

PRoxy oQNov 30, 20192 votes

That is not an insult that is a fact I won udyr and have SGU skin he is brain dead I would not play that even if it meant everything. Boring plain op 1v1 kit without any chance of out trading it. I and rly care about his stun into free attack speed burst into stun every 2-3 seconds depending on the build. As I've said I ignore that champion until he is useless in team-fights like any other garbage design champion with 0 outplay 1v1. I pick mobility ward light everything up so he can't do anything and play on the other side of map where crap champ tries to invade unless team has prio and cc.

He is brain dead face it. None cares about that kind of kit being in the game aside from ppl hard suck into playing it. Same goes for Volibear.

Worst JG WinsNov 30, 20191 votes

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That is not an insult that is a fact I won udyr and have SGU skin he is brain dead I would not play that even if it meant everything. Boring plain op 1v1 kit without any chance of out trading it.

I literally explained multiple ways how this isn't factually not true. But i guess insults are more important then facts.

These boards never stop giving me a good laugh

PRoxy oQNov 30, 20192 votes

I've never feel outplayed by udyr even thou I know his kit as he has his kit all the time without CDR if they raise his cds to 15-25 seconds and make him use one stance or have one combo rotation max every 5-10 seconds without using anything in between I will feel outplayed.

I was never actually outplayed neither was anyone who ever dies to udyr, we died to brute cc gap close move speed and dmg. That is why i prefer my ability to jump over wall.

Worst JG WinsNov 30, 20192 votes

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even thou I know his kit as he has his kit all the time without CDR

You obviously don't since you're stating things that are factually wrong.

AhernfVyNov 30, 20192 votes

Vi HARD counters Udyr, you have no clue what you're even talking about.

Worst JG WinsNov 30, 20194 votes

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You use Udyr as an example, but do you think anyone has ever felt "outplayed" when they were killed by a Udyr?

As someone who played Udyr a ton it's amazing how such a simply kit can be misunderstood and people are like "hur durr Udyr just runs at you" and refuse to accept the ways he can mechanically outplay you or you can mechanically outplay him. It's ironic considering he has very few tools to outplay you with and he can very easily be outplayed if you played correctly.

Udyr has lots of room for outplaying people with how he jukes and how people decided to trade with him. But despite the fact he has a simple kit and has been out forever people REFUSE to learn what he does, just walk up to him and start trading autos with him at level one when he already has Tiger on three. Then the complain OMG Udyr so braindead OMG OP cheese

Literally watched TF blade streaming yesterday. He died to a level 1 all in from an Udyr play because he doesn't even know how Udyr's kit works. Like dude all you have to do is wait till tiger isn't on 3 proc grasp on him and spin away and you out trade him. But nope learning Udyr's Kit is just too hard for a multi rank one player

https://clips.twitch.tv/DepressedBlightedPiePanicBasket

Cry of the CeltsNov 30, 20194 votes

Its funny beacuse he complain about mechanic while plaiyng tryndamere [sg-lux-2]

Caitlyn FTWNov 30, 20192 votes

r/murderedbywords

Jimmy RustlesNov 29, 201914 votes

Riots design and balance team are still absolute trash, surprising no one

Kai GuyNov 30, 20194 votes

Yea? What moba has better balance?

Inari Fox OrrionNov 30, 20192 votes

DotA2, implementing things like auto-fill in a more cohesive and less restrictive manner. I can list other things, like the talents and the bounty runes and etc. but, point being, they put effort in that Riot doesn't.

Don't say that DotA2 can't be more or less better with fewer players, since that's just a reverse argumentum ad populum and therefor is a fallacy. Many good things aren't popular (circumcision, not smoking, not doing drugs) and many bad things are.

If you want to say "b- but muh opinion" in response... huh, you just asked a question intended not to be answered in any way that isn't favorable to you. Kind of sly, kind of shy, and very sad from someone supposedly able to argue on a rational basis.

WoonStruckNov 29, 201911 votes

Uhh, Udyr is one of the best junglers r/n.

AhernfVyNov 30, 20195 votes

If you think this is true then you don't play him. He's absolutely horrible atm.

WoonStruckNov 30, 20191 votes

You want to tell me why a champion that can't do anything but use melee autos has a 51%+ WR right now while a lot of other junglers dropped?

Because he's one of the best junglers right now.

Take a look at the match-up chart. Udyr stomps a large majority of the roster. Tell me again how he's horrible, and that's not just you being bad at the game?

3TWarriorNov 30, 20195 votes

in what division? in diamond+ , his current win rate is 48.5% https://u.gg/lol/tier-list?role=jungle&rank=diamond_plus

Worst JG WinsNov 30, 20194 votes

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You want to tell me why a champion that can't do anything but use melee autos has a 51%+ WR right now while a lot of other junglers dropped?

Because he's one of the best junglers right now.

Take a look at the match-up chart. Udyr stomps a large majority of the roster. Tell me again how he's horrible, and that's not just you being bad at the game?

Because the only people who ever play Udyr do it on Smurf accounts, nobody who is actually trying to climb would ever touch this champ. Even Trick2g won't touch Udyr when he tries to actually climb he instantly becomes a Voli main.

There is a reason why in high elo Udyr is 0.6 pick rate and 0.2 ban rate with and a bottom 10 out of 140+ champs win rate at 46.5%.

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/master/plus/champion/Udyr/

he is literally one of the worst champs in the game

WoonStruckNov 30, 20191 votes

You can use Master+ to argue a LOT of champions are bad, depending on the week, when some of them are nowhere near bad. The amount of games equates to unreliable data.

Using diamond+ data is much more reliable, and actually applicable to a much larger portion of the playerbase.

There are less than 100 games to go off of with the data you gave me.

Using the same site, in the past 7 days he has a 52%+ winrate with over 70 games. Masters+.

In the past 30 days he has a 55.5% winrate with over 721 games. Masters+.

So tell me where the statistical disconnect is coming from, and why you're using that site.

Worst JG WinsNov 30, 20191 votes

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You can use Master+ to argue a LOT of champions are bad, depending on the week, when some of them are nowhere near bad. The amount of games equates to unreliable data.

1000s of games or more then reliable and he has been like this for 6+months

Diamond+ is also pretty much the same.

Udyr is literally just trash.

WoonStruckNov 30, 20191 votes

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1000s of games or more then reliable and he has been like this for 6+months

The data you gave me literally says 92 games in jungle.

Diamond+ is also pretty much the same.

No its not. Diamond+ has a much higher winrate on the site you gave me, and over 45x the number of games to stabilize the data. If you think that's "pretty much the same" you aren't allowed to use statistics to try to levy an argument anymore, since apparently you don't understand them.

Worst JG WinsNov 30, 20191 votes

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The data you gave me literally says 92 games in jungle.

Did it ever occur to you that he is so dogshit nobody in masters would every play him which is why he has 92 games.

Kai GuyNov 30, 20195 votes

I went from G4 to P4 i with Alistar . I built him tanky and found it to be great in a meta where people are idiots who glasscannon everything.

LaceUpXXNov 30, 20193 votes

So bascially cuz ooder can't out OP people, you think the game is broken? I'm sorry but you lost me there. Ooder never "outplayed" anyone. He pushed and ran away.

3TWarriorNov 30, 20197 votes

udyr and volibear: we gank you when you mess up and are out of position

every other jungler: BONZAI! -an enemy has been slain-