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Was Not Sure About Scuttler Changes... Unbiased Verdict: Awful

LetYourSleepWane·5/19/2018, 1:12:20 AM·138 votes·21,540 views

I'm more dependent on laners than ever as a JG and I feel constantly interrupted to prioritize some super artificial objective that has nothing to do with ganking lanes or getting turrets. I'll be on the other side of the map and then Scuttler will show that it's going to spawn. I can't even do anything because we're involved in something else. I can't just leave, ignore all my camps and path horribly, get scuttler and let my bot die etc. It feels TERRIBLE.

Secondly, it makes games from behind FAR worse and even more undeserved. Oh, congrats your mid won or your top won etc. Now mine are pushed in and weak so I am forced to be even more behind for no fault of my own. If I go to Scuttler, I'll probably just die a gruesome death and find myself 1v2. People often ward when it shows the spawn timer. Before, I could at least retreat into my own jungle and make them work for it if they want to invade me. it's just another artificial win-more condition. Fall behind = lose.

It has nothing to do with junglers contesting it 1v1 most times and even then, do you really want to artificially constrain the JG pool that way? Oh, let's just randomly make this camp important and now junglers who do it well/can duel better are OP and the rest are struggling to catch up. Even if you nerf them, you'll just have the second tier of champs that are good at that one thing come to the forefront. it's such a forced meta with so much less creativity. I can't even execute and plan out my game based on our actual teammates and the state of the game anymore. It's constant "oh here's this stupid random and artificial mini game you have to do". It is NOT good design and it is not as fun for sure. I wasn't even so against this till I played a dozen games on it.

60 Comments

YourQQ5/19/2018, 1:14:37 AM49 votes

You also can't approximate timers because it's random. For buffs and camps, I don't need the timer because I generally know when they'll spawn from experience. It feels so gimmicky. It makes the game worse for sure.

zecastar5/19/2018, 1:18:14 AM23 votes

Jungle feels random and robotic now. You don't get to paint a picture of what you want to accomplish in the game. You just get yanked left and right by bullshit.

RiftScuttlerOP5/19/2018, 2:53:20 AM17 votes

problem:

jg pool becomes extremely defined and much less about style or preference
this leads to such champions having much higher pick rates than before -> the less meta picks suffer even more than before not only because the conditions for success are limited but because they now face a jg pool which also tends to crush less meta picks like a knife through butter... I dare you to try something less meta vs Xin, Graves, Udyr and so on... you'll get smacked right back to the fountain
being behind is more punished than before so if a non-meta jg pick fails early, as they usually do, they have even fewer chances of coming back and being useful + being behind becomes more mentally draining

conclusion: scuttler should not be relevant enough to attract serious organizational team pressure. it even messes with what is enjoyable about jg.

d4rkshock5/19/2018, 2:16:32 AM9 votes

This kills the tank meta. If you're playing an assasin and you encounter any one of these champions Jax Shyvana MasterYi XinZhao Udyr Khazix and you encounter them at scuttle, you just lost scuttle because they will kill you. If it's one of those jg's vs another one of those jg's, it's all about numbers.

Zero Skill Tank5/19/2018, 1:30:22 AM6 votes

I'm more dependent on laners than ever as a JG

Good, laners were way too dependant on junglers for years now.

Crispy0Snake5/19/2018, 6:08:34 AM6 votes

How did this make it through PBE?

French Courtesan5/19/2018, 11:56:19 AM6 votes

Junglers are bitching about what top laners had to face whole season. Feels bad.

Zerenza5/19/2018, 1:18:23 AM5 votes

https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2785809897/231258967?tab=stats

This was my most recent game in which i spent the first 10 minutes being invaded by the enemy mid laner, bot laner's, top laner and jungle because i can't 1v1 as my champion. Look at the gold advantage they had until they messed up.

FilDaFunk5/19/2018, 9:22:57 AM3 votes

Syndra

Battalion5/19/2018, 1:51:27 AM3 votes

I'm so tired of seeing LeeSin XinZhao Graves as a pick/ban.

TheRuzo5035/19/2018, 4:13:52 AM3 votes

I gave up on Jungle already.. .Thank you Riot :(

2Behold5/19/2018, 11:03:04 AM2 votes

I played a game where the enemy ashe went smite and tried to take scuttle before going to lane. It was super easy to catch her out because I warded the river and I fed my adc firstblood and a double kill.

Ghazter5/19/2018, 1:47:46 AM2 votes

Hopefully, since there are so many negative posts about this jungle change, they'll balance it.

Waiting for that patch.

rtbf2256182415/19/2018, 2:05:15 PM2 votes

I actually secured all 5 scuttlers in a game and lost anyway thanks to my laners losing while the enemy Jungler was attacking them.

VelvetCrotch5/19/2018, 2:12:05 PM2 votes

i dont understand why they dont just REMOVE the scuttler OR make it deko like the little foxes who run around.

TEA Nietzsche 5/19/2018, 11:10:06 PM2 votes

Unbiased Verdict

Proceeds to write a highly opinionated rant

Good stuff, yet another high quality boards post.

Morbys5/20/2018, 12:02:54 AM2 votes

I wasn't aware riots balance team was taking cues from Blizzard, talk about a downward spiral.

wobaji5/21/2018, 7:32:38 AM1 votes

The RNG component is atrocious. They compared it to camp timers but it has no relevance. We know where camps will be and generally when they'll spawn anyway based on our clear. Scuttler will just go to either side randomly and 1 minute is never enough time to path properly to it so basically if the enemy JG or his team are just randomly in the right place for where Scuttler spawns, it's a big advantage for zero skill.

C9 Squeeky 5/21/2018, 3:19:07 PM1 votes

Not a jungler and even I knew these changes were bad when first announced.

dogehkiin5/19/2018, 11:11:45 AM1 votes

Had a fkin game where enemy top was 100% kill if ganked but had to camp bot cuz scuttler always there abd botlane is just 1000% more useful

muted team chat5/20/2018, 4:36:36 PM1 votes

People over-hype the crab.

If it's spawning on the otherside of the map you can probably steal the opposite side enemy jg and gank a lane.

Ganking is still king of the jungle. You get exp form the kill and pushing the wave in and your laner is now ahead. win win win.

saltran5/20/2018, 11:27:39 PM1 votes

As soon as I read "unbiased veredict" I knew it woukd be a dumb and biased circlejerk post.

Dope Solo5/19/2018, 6:03:56 PM1 votes

Its not all bad, but strong early jgs are just too buffed now.