thought of the best way to make poacher's knife a competitive pick without just deleting it.

macromite·Sep 17, 2015·2 votes·492 views

remove the useless speed buff and add a counter measure for wards and traps, like maybe raptor buff after every usage. it fits in with the theme, because poachers tend to be stealthy bastards, it would be more useful than purple smite for some counter junglers, and it could help some gankers, but it's balanced and fair because you are trading something to use it. it would be the smite option for champions that want to hunt down the other jungler, as well as for junglers that are especially susceptible to wards.

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Lord o teh MemesSep 17, 20153 votes

Currently buying poachers says "Hey I'm going to be in your jungle, so feel free to spend 75 gold to negate my 30 gold, and possibly kill me for 300 gold" Vision control is exceptionally powerful which is why I like the idea that smiting an enemy camp gives a small raptor esque buff. It could just be a straight up oracles elixer for 15 seconds after smiting which would not tell you if you were spotted, but the item itself would tell your opponents to be on the lookout for poaching.

macromiteSep 17, 20151 votes

I like the idea, but you should probably have the restriction of it being on an enemy camp removed as the buff itself is only potent in enemy territory anyway.

Shadow GilgameshSep 17, 20152 votes

What it actually needs is for it to do SOMETHING in your jungle. The problem is far less that what it provides in the opposing jungle isn't good enough, it's that it's the ONLY smite that screams to the world "hey guess where I'm headed?" Though it could probably use being better in general too.

Though I don't think copy-pasting raptor on every smite is the way to go. Maybe if it puts you in true sight automatically, but doesn't let you wander around being a ward sweeper every 60 seconds when smite is up

macromiteSep 17, 20151 votes

actually, no, its for a poacher, or someone not in their own land. you need to look at things from all angles young one, and this is something that I've come to the conclusion over after thinking long and hard about it from the moment they said they were deleting it.

I am gonna be honest about your second point, I've no idea what you are suggesting, just the wording of it, it sounds like it could be cool, pls reply to say what you mean with a good amount of detail. I'm not really partial about the whole thing, just needs to be something with counter warding.

Shadow GilgameshSep 17, 20151 votes

The perk for your side should be reduced, (maybe the speed boost, since it helps you keep moving around), because yes, as a poaching item you should be invading most of the time. But as long as it gives nothing, purple smite will still be preferable to white, even with ward clear potential on it, at least in my opinion, since it already kind of gives away your whole strategy.

As for what I mean for the second thing. Raptor buff stays on you for 90 seconds, and only activates when you get spotted by a ward. What I suggested was that using white smite should immediately put you in true sight after the camp dies (maybe with more than 10 seconds of true sight) so that you can't just go to any of the regular ward spots after every smite, so you'd be sweeping wards in their jungle, not wiping them out at lane entrances or in your jungle every time you head there.

macromiteSep 17, 20151 votes

I don't think the usage on your side should be reduced for two very important reasons. reason 1, this items passive will only be useful in enemy territory because of how it works. enemies are unlikely to ward in your territory early. reason 2, a big reason poacher's knife is bad right now is the fact that it only works in enemy territory, and you need to get it early before you know what the gamestate will be later, so poachers can turn into just regular smite + a small amount of gold, whereas if it gave revealing buff everywhere it would still be potent later on even if your team was losing, perhaps even more potent.

I have to ask if you mean it gives you true sight or does it put you in true sight. if it puts you in true sight the item becomes far more useless, even if it made it so you could smite enemy champions for full damage, no one would ever build that, because if it does that it means that the enemy knows where you are. one more thing, I think that it should have a draw to gankers as well as counter junglers, more specifically champions like Jarvan or lee sin, because counter junglers that focus on stealing farm already have a really good option, whereas counter junglers that focus on kills don't have many good options.

Shadow GilgameshSep 17, 20151 votes

Gives you true sight, lol. Not you being revealed, my bad, poor wording. The point is simply that you aren't getting 1 for 1 a specific camps smite bonus on every smite in the other jungle, essentially removing your need to ever smite raptors.

I'm not sure what you could give it that would specifically help countergankers that also invade. If you make it something that activates simply by them showing up and smiting a champ, it'll also probably help regular gankers. If you make it something that requires them to smite something in the other teams jungle, that kind of conflicts with a countergankers need to spring into action at the drop of a hat if they're nearby. Probably not impossible, but nothing comes to mind that I would put for them.

macromiteSep 17, 20151 votes

I don't think that the poachers knife needs to help counter gankers specifically, but rather helping the actual gankers to get in undetected, maybe instead of raptors buff make it so that after smiting they get eve passive against wards and traps, something to let them in unexpected and to make the crazy attack plays.

Lord o teh MemesSep 17, 20152 votes

The level 2 pantheon and shaco invade shudders

macromiteSep 17, 20151 votes

don't forget udyr and rengar. the days where counter jungling can work would actually come back, and jungling will become a role you don't just mindlessly farm in. it also has the benefit of countering devourer.

Lord o teh MemesSep 17, 20151 votes

I really like the idea of gaining the raptor buff, except I think it should be a weaker version of it, with the bonus gold removed. This would make it the farm the other jungle smite. While I think that Riot may just remove it you bring a good point of shifting its usage to be more playable.

macromiteSep 17, 20151 votes

yeah it could be a weaker form of raptor buff, it just needs to be something that you can pick up and the enemy won't immedialty know what you're up to. it also needs to be able to compete with the other buffs, which are all rather strong, so I figured somthing that can counter vision would probably hit the ticket, both helping gankers and invaders without giving you the in jungle power that the other smites give you to make it more thematic.

Keep it mind I'm not saying it needs to be raptor buff, if you have any specific ideas you feel free to type them.

Lord o teh MemesSep 17, 20151 votes

Ward the enemy jungle some time and see how potent it is. Counter ganks, Dragons and towers become yours simply because you know they have no help coming any time soon.

macromiteSep 17, 20151 votes

I know right, I like to play a little game called junglespotting, where I find the enemy jungler and kill them after they clear a camp in the early game. gives everyone on my team a morale boost and kills the enemies morale pretty good as well.