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8.10 jungle changes

Cenutrio 5 rabos·5/16/2018, 1:56:37 PM·17 votes·11,621 views

I create this post to discuss the recent changes in jungle xp and the addition of this new scuttler thing.

I'm kind of confused because I can't really see where this whole thing is aiming at. During this season and compared to others, I believe junglers have been taking a supporting role. The solo carry 1v5 early beasts like Nidalee or Elise, or the afk farm junglers like Shyvana or Udyr ain't here anymore, instead jungling now consists on, mostly, getting your team (bot) ahead and letting those scrubs carry you. I've always felt like this should be the true nature of the jungler and hated those cheese strategies from previous seasons, but I still believe they should be viable and I think the buff of runic echoes will help bringing some of them back to the table which is great.

Now here is where I become confused. After a certain point in the game, junglers start losing their power and no matter how ahead you are it's extremely hard to keep an xp advantage over the rest of players because of how xp from camps progresses. This makes solo carrying extremely hard and the motive why getting assists instead of kills is completely worth it right now. With this patch, Riot hard nerfed jungler's main strength, which is basically the xp you get at the early stages of the game, and now we can no longer gank with an xp advantage lv 3. I believe this is fair since the whole lv 3 gank can be quite can...noying, as long as we get a compensation. If we had got none I'd be uninstalling League right now. Which is it though? The new scuttler. From my understanding Riot wants to encourage both junglers duel for a monster that compensates for the xp deficit from these changes. But how is this going to help? Junglers who can't duel early on will be at a huge disadvantage compared to the enemy jungler, so not only will you have unnecessarily nerfed their clear, but also given an advantage their opponents. So this is basically huge nerf to junglers with low early presence and a "buff" (it doesn't fix the power of junglers compared to other roles) to the opposite. This fixes nothing that had to be fixed and only creates more problems imo. Not just that, but the whole scuttler mechanic itself seems quite messy... Getting this RNG spawn (yes, you get a warning but it depends on your team's pressure being it worth killing or not) and fight with shitty smites...

I don't know, I really don't understand a thing about this change and hope that someone can enlighten me and say that everything will be alright. Cheers and excuse my englando.

35 Comments

ShaolinToilet5/16/2018, 9:23:26 PM9 votes

These jungle changes are trash the snowballing team automatically wins jungle

Brain Errör 4045/16/2018, 5:29:10 PM3 votes

You don't really have to duel for scuttle anymore since 2 spawn on the map. How has no one realized this? lmao.

Yung Kaioken5/16/2018, 5:50:48 PM3 votes

Jungle is ruined, league is ruined. Season 8 killed it, thanks Riot for always fixing stuff that was never broken in the first place. Uninstalling this fucking game.

ImYourDàdBTW5/17/2018, 3:52:20 AM2 votes

Yeah, the new jungle sucks. Why TF did riot listen to the whining nub sacks that don't know how to ward your bush around 2:15? Seriously... that's all it takes to completely undermine a gank...unless you're just bad. but either way, in the case that you're bad or don't know how to ward, you deserve to lose. So riot screws and entire role and a fifth of their player base with it. That's just about as smart as not warding. See y'all in fortnite

Kyunsei5/16/2018, 7:39:24 PM2 votes

They forgot to put the whole change that used to be on PBE.

I'm speaking about the 10% golds nerf and all the camp respawning every 135sec instead of 150sec

Hyperion IX5/16/2018, 8:29:56 PM2 votes

THis patch favours only ranged junglers like graves and twitch...who can easily duel early game. Even if ahead is impossible to keep up with the exp without getting into the lane creep. I think the new changes are really horrible and punish junglers for no reason. I really don't see the point for this change. Is really not making the game better...just forcing everyone to play meta junglers and struggle to keep up in mid late game...

The Bad Touch5/16/2018, 10:11:26 PM2 votes

The funny part is it actually just forces jungles to level 2 gank.

Don't see what this fixed really.

SweedishGunner5/16/2018, 5:54:41 PM1 votes

Everyone seems to be taking smite now? Watching Shipturs stream where the mid and top both have smite as well as the jungler.

Thorn Fierce Red5/16/2018, 2:01:43 PM1 votes

This will help Nunu or not?

RIP Tahm Kench5/16/2018, 10:20:26 PM1 votes

As a person who is always taking the scuttle within 30 seconds of it respawning, I'm always finding myself at a level advantage mid-late game. Sure, now even the supports reach level 6 before you, but late game once you start murdering the scuttlecrab the xp really adds up. Most of the time I can get 1 or 2 levels above the solo lanes.

BEK Makadur5/16/2018, 3:24:11 PM1 votes

Imo the main point is to make jgl early lane pressure lower, as it was way to high(lvl3 gank). For me as a main Top it just felt like a 1v2 if i get a retard jgl, as it should feel more like a 1v1,5.

I do think that camps give more exp later on now, but i could be wrong.

Wild Geese5/16/2018, 9:57:08 PM1 votes

Xin and Graves going to dominate so hard..

Glad I don't play jungle atm.

Salson5/16/2018, 10:09:45 PM1 votes

You actually got lower spawn timers now, guess that's some sort of compensation for mid/late game.

Ifneth5/16/2018, 3:52:22 PM1 votes

Your camps will still provide as much XP later in the game, and the first-clear penalties are gone. Some (Krugs) will provide much more XP. The jungle changes will make the Level 3 gank a pure cheese tactic instead of the meta, reward efficient early game pathing and farming, and then let you play like before post-7.

Guttler5/16/2018, 5:37:09 PM1 votes

Seems the same to me. I'm still seeing lvl 3 ganks before 3:00.

Hügö5/16/2018, 3:41:31 PM1 votes

A thing that riot forgot is that it won't be a 1vs1 over the scuttler. Both lanes that can help will come so it will be something like 2 or 3vs1.