Annie is Broken!

aceofspades1996··20 votes·1,754 views

I generally don't like to say that champions are considered over powered, or pretty much altogether broken, however, I really after damn near 1500 games, can conclude that Annie is in fact broken! Annie "have you seen my bear tibbers?"

Reason Number 1: She has absolutely no skill required. All of her abilities are either buffs, click-on, or ridiculous AOE damage. She also gets a free stun ever four attacks, which is extremely broken late game especially if someone builds something Morellonimicon, or Athene's Unholy Grail which enables her to spam her abilities in as little as 3 seconds. Literally, Annie's combo is, E, Flash, Q, W, R, and then usually a zohnyas. This combo can do almost 3000 damage alone! On top of that, she has a bear that follows her around, and will tank any skill shots (with a few exceptions) for her. Conclusion of this part, is that Annie is definitely for newer players despite being given a difficulty rating of 6.

Reason Number 2: She has an Instant AOE stun that does up to 900 damage late game! The AOE is also really big, and is practically indodgeable unless you are this guy, and see it coming. Zilean So many other champions have been given a nerf, or are complained about profusely in these forums, yet Annie has remained untouched for whatever reason. For instance, Veigar's Event Horizon ability (E) has been given a nerf because it was instant, and people would get caught in it. Apparently it was too easy to land? Even though, it was like even easier to miss. Yet Annie remains untouched and still rocking older men up and down the field. People will say that Sejauni's ult is way to strong, since she can stun the whole entire team! ... looks at Annie*

Reason Number 3: This isn't necessarily the champion's fault, but people think that she can be a support because she has stuns, and then they will build her into an AOE nightmare machine, stealing all of your kills, and dreams.

Let me know what you guys think, and tell me other reasons why you think she might be broken! Thanks guys!

32 Comments

BluePolarizer7 votes

If Annie has no skill required, why are you not spamming her and getting Diamond 1?

If Annie has no skill required, why are you not beating Faker and Bjergson? After all since Annie play is independent of skill, you should be able to beat pros and challengers who do not use Annie.

MasterPrankster4 votes

Maybe because he thinks playing Annie is boring?

Sona Ping2 votes

That's kind of missing his point there...

atomicwit1 votes

That's a really poor argument. Even in ranked, people don't play champions soley to maximize winning chances. It's often more to challenge themselves in a competitive environment while also HAVING FUN. For example, even when WW was OP, I almost never played him. He's just a boring champion with almost no thought required for the player. Annie falls into the same category for me. I wouldn't want to play her even if her winrate was obscene.

If ranked is meant to demonstrate my skill at the game, I'd want to play a champion where it's possible to mess up. You can try really hard to be bad at Annie and you'll likely still fail.

BluePolarizer2 votes

You're missing the point. Lots of people main Annie with 100+ games on her; why are they not all at least diamond?

atomicwit1 votes

I'm not missing the point at all. I'm saying that the logic behind your point is deeply flawed even if the possibility of a "freelo" champ existed. I don't think you got MY point.

Sooko4 votes

I don't think giving her skillshots or a missable Tibbers is the way to go. If I'd change anything, it would probably be her infinite zoning through the stun. Her mana regained from Q is also pretty powerful, but I still don't know if that is an important factor. If Annie's stun got a duration similar to TF's gold card, and maybe let the enemy players see when her ult is available, I think it would be able to give counterplay without making mobility creep stronger Looks at Veigar

Or maybe they could just make last hitting harder by lowering her base AD and making her auto-attacks even worse, so she is more reliant on her Q to farm.

Pikmints4 votes

Last time I expressed this view, multiple downvotes and people saying "Just stay out of her short range" even though that literally means that she can put a full rotation of her spells on you with 0 cast time if you step anywhere inside a circle around her, made me lose a little hope in this community (the forums, not the game).

The most popular change I've heard people suggest is to make Annie's passive not last indefinitely, similar thoughts being both the reason TF's W had it's window reduced and why new Ryze isn't allowed to sit forever on his passive stacks. I feel like this would be fair, perhaps making the window a 10 second one before she loses stacks/the stun would prevent her from having that AoE of death. It honestly feels like an archaic way of giving champs control, something I can't imagine Riot giving to a new champ were she made today.

Sightless662 votes

The problem with having her passive not last indefinitely is that this effectively removes her ability to initiate later in the game. I mean, think about a baron fight. If I can't hold a stun when we're just sitting around baron, then I have no ability to threaten an initiation. She can't pull it up instantly like TF or other mages can, so just having it fall off completely isn't a great option for her.

I think it could work, so long as it was something that only affected her laning phase. Let it fall off before level 11, let it be indefinite after level 11. Makes her much easier to lane against, doesn't kill her ability to initiate fights.

Sona Ping3 votes

That's a terrible argument! The reason TF had his window reduced is because he has an on-demand stun from a single button press and teleports across the map to make any fight outnumbered in his team's favor.

If it wasn't for the time it takes to cycle through cards, you could **literally **be stunned for **over half ** the time you spend fighting Twisted Fate.

Marthian4 votes

The big issue I see is: Her ratios and base damage is so high you can easily build AP bruiser and still deal tremendous damage on top of being hard to kill (along with your CC.) There is little reason not to rush Rod of Ages on here for those reasons. And yet without tankiness, she tends to struggle in game.

Dedrius3 votes

I completely agree, and have said this for a while now. You will now get responses about her low range and inability to farm while having her stun proc'd but her AA range is pretty high and she can still farm with AA's with her stun proc'd so I guess I don't it.

Riot said instant AOE stuns are bad for the game which is why they removed viegars so why does annie's get to stay? It should be changed to a throwing motion like she has in the cinematic because besides her instant AOE stun she isn't that bad.

DanofDemacia3 votes

I agree she is broken but her along her ahri and cassopiea are the only mages that can defend themselves against assassins that being said she doesnt need nerfs

RoMz3 votes

Agreed 100%

Nimba2 votes

She clearly requires skill to play, let's not degrade Annie players as it's difficult to play any champ in the game. She is however quite a little OP, I'd like to see her stun have a duration. Being able to cast a couple spells, get your stun up and just walk around bot lane because if someone goes near you, you're screwed, is a little broken.

Her burst is imo pretty silly and too strong but that's just me, either way, literally all I want is for her stun to have a duration. I think that would be very fair. I look at an Annie support legit stand to the side, cast four spells against the wall and then have one of the strongest zoning powers simply by walking is kinda broken.

Sightless663 votes

If we gave her stun a duration in order to make it easier to lane against her, we'd have to either return it to having no duration after a certain point in the game (maybe level 11), or we'd have to give her a realistic option for keeping it up indefinitely in the late game. In the later game, a huge amount of her value is tied into initiating using that stun, and if Annie can't hold it when objectives are being contested, then she can't initiate.

FourVsFive2 votes

Least once she kills some one u have a chance of killing her, as she cant run half way across the map in 2 seconds like Leblanc or Zed.

IcyPepper2 votes

She also gets a free stun ever four attacks,

Well, it's kind of her passive so it's not exactly free. The part where it doesn't decay, however, and is easily exploited? Yeah, a good case can be made for that one. Not sure why she can hold onto it indefinitely.

Sona Ping3 votes

Because Annie without her stun is pretty weak and she has little to no ability to outplay; a large amount of her budget is tied into it and it can be a double edge sword anyway. Annie already is a weaker choice than other champions, if the player doesn't get ahead early, Annie is reduced to a mere stun-bot. It's the reason she is not considered viable midlane and is only taken support in competitive play.

Tomatosx2 votes

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Because Annie without her stun is pretty weak and has little to no ability to outplay; a large amount of her budget is tied into it and it can be a double edge sword in laning anyway. Annie already is a weaker choice than other champions, if the player doesn't get ahead early, Annie is reduced to a mere stun-bot. It's the reason she is not considered viable midlane and is only taken support in competitive play.

Oh my god!! Blasphemy! Annie is very viable midlane! Her damage is very well. Whats wrong with you!?!??!

Tomatosx2 votes

Annie Was my first ever champ I played and She was my favorite champion even to this day and my main. I think you are being a little over-dramatic.. I don't believe in your nerfs but im open to find some.. it would be a good start even though I will die a little inside... Amumu

Sona Ping3 votes

If you have that much experience with Annie, you should know better than to be swayed by petty "I just lost to Champion X" QQ on the forums. Be a little stronger dude. (P.S. And she already has a cooldown on her stun)

Tomatosx2 votes

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If you have that much experience with Annie, you should know better than to be swayed by petty "I just lost to Champion X" QQ on the forums. Be a little stronger dude. (P.S. And she already has a cooldown on her stun)

What the f are you talking about? I never qq on the forums when i lose to a champion! I rebuke this false information! Im talking bout making the cooldown 10 seconds or anything really (P.S. read before you click post)

Sona Ping3 votes

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What the f are you talking about? I never qq on the forums when i lose to a champion! I rebuke this false information! Im talking bout making the cooldown 10 seconds or anything really (P.S. read before you click post)

Please read before _you _ downvote and reply. I didn't say you were doing this, I said the thread maker, aceofspades1996, was doing that.

Tomatosx2 votes

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Please read before _you _ downvote and reply. I didn't say you were doing this, I said the thread maker, aceofspades1996, was doing that.

Then don't reply to me saying this false info about me if its not too me. Make 2 separate comments to 2 different people to avoid confusion. Please use common sense before entering the boards!

Sona Ping3 votes

It was never even implied to be about you! Reading comprehension!

Tomatosx2 votes

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It was never even implied to be about you! Reading comprehension!

Then don't reply to me then!?!?!? Wtf!

Sona Ping4 votes

Read the comment again and try, just try to understand what it says. _Before _ going into hysterics.

Tomatosx2 votes

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Read the comment again and try, just try to understand what it says. _Before _ going into hysterics.

What is wrong with you? If you didn't want to address me then don't reply to me making me check my inbox. If the message wasn't for my then why were you talking to me about the Annie cooldown nerfs I was talking about hmm? Try to understand what you are doing before you post.

Sona Ping3 votes

It was for you! Learn to read.

You wrote: "She was my favorite champion even to this day and my main. I feel terrible to agree with what you are saying..."

I wrote: "If you have that much experience with Annie, you should know better than to be swayed by petty "I just lost to Champion X" QQ on the forums." As in, you should not have your opinion of Annie effected by that whiny junk that was written at the top of this thread by aceofspades1996 because he doesn't know how to play against Annie.

Tomatosx1 votes

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It was for you! Learn to read.

You wrote: "She was my favorite champion even to this day and my main. I feel terrible to agree with what you are saying..."

I wrote: "If you have that much experience with Annie, you should know better than to be swayed by petty "I just lost to Champion X" QQ on the forums." As in, you should not have your opinion of Annie effected by that whiny junk that was written at the top of this thread by aceofspades1996 because he doesn't know how to play against Annie.

I must of worded it wrong. I don't agree with everything he says. I think Annie is pretty good but not how dramatic this guy is putting it. My bad for the inconvenience.

Aspynn1 votes

I think it'd be a fair nerf to have the stun duration scale with level at least. I love my full ap annie support and the ability to 100-0 an adc, but she does need to be toned the fuck down.

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