Toxicitity

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The word, this game, has created a fear monger society where it is unable to take criticism. When you tell a player to literally "stop feeding", you are labeled toxic. Riot, quit punishing people for pointing out the obvious. You created a game with competitive play, you monitoring chat logs only is my biggest complaint. Why don't you look at actual game play, some people actively grief people and then troll them with toxic reports.

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Hotarµ2 votes

This should probably be in Player Behavior.

You don't get punished for "pointing out the obvious", it's when you do it in a non-constructive way. Blatantly telling someone to "stop feeding" is toxic, just say something like "Vlad, play safe under tower" or "Try and build some MR, if you don't he'll keep winning trades".

Your teammates are supposed to be your allies, why do you need to rag on them for playing poorly?

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0/8 players aren't allies, they are enemies

Butterwood2 votes

Honest question - what response do you expect when you say "stop feeding"? Do you think someone will say "thanks man, hadn't thought of that, I'll change my playstyle from here on out"?

I'm all for people giving helpful advice, like a jungler saying "hang tight by the turret, I'll gank when he's pushed in" or "build more armor, they're all AD", but your "criticism" is just flaming.

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Saying my comment is just flaming is the same mentality as me saying stop feeding is flaming

Butterwood1 votes

Not really, but let's pull at that thread for a minute. Let's say I am flaming you here. We're not in a game right now. You going on tilt and throwing a hissy fit on the forums doesn't make me or 3 other complete strangers lose a game and thus waste 20-40 minutes of our time.

I'm guessing you know that though based on the fact that you didn't actually address my question. Not tilting is hard - I completely understand that - but stepping back and realizing that you're part of the problem is the best first step you could take to address it.

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Again, not in a game, as I said in a post earlier above I don't intentionally feed. I have said things like please ward, hug turret, wait till late game. Nothing changes. I'm addressing the issue of that if I point out, or criticize constructively a flaw in someone else game play I am at fault.

So then again, I want to say, I like that you are critiquing me. I want to have an open discussion. Other people do not, they don't want to challenge ideals or that they might be at fault. If I am at fault, then yes. Maybe I will try harder to be more constructive, I am just upset with how the game punishes only toxic people and not people who either feed or intentionally feed and do not make this game fun

EDIT: and saying then like hissy fit, isn't that derogative and diminutive. Like what you want me to not do?

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nothing?

Butterwood1 votes

Sorry, busy day at work and I kind of lost track of the thread. Those criticisms are totally valid and take place in every game, but are often paired with flames and saying things like "ugh I hate inters on my team". That's where things start to spiral and make the game unpleasant for everyone.

If someone takes valid criticism from you completely free of flames and gets angry at you, and even flames you back - that's what the mute button is for!

And yes, the hissy fit comment was rude. At least I didn't say it in game though, right? Shaco

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touche

ROYALR3IGN1 votes

I wouldn't do it myself but I do get where OP is coming from. It's frustrating to go even in a lane only to lose because mid lane went 0-6 to Irelia and now she's running over the entire match.

It makes no sense to keep on fighting the enemy once you die even once to him. Why? Because when the enemy lane comes back, they're going to be at least 300g ahead of you in combat stats and if they out played your ass once they can do it again only now they have more items to do it with. The two exceptions to this is if your JG is actively ganking you, and there's no chance for a counter gank (their jg is dead, or mid is dead, or both are on the opposite side of the map.), OR if for some reason you have a combat summoner spell advantage AND you have the ability to poke them down with better waveclear/wave management. If you manage to die under one of these conditions don't bother fighting them again till you hit a spike and its team fighting time cause now they're 600g ahead and you're kinda screwed.

So yeah saying "stop feeding" means you should hug your turret and not do anything stupid. And for havens sake ping the shit out your lane if they roam.

You don't have to carry/be amazing at the game. You don't even have to win your lane. You just need to understand when your laner opponent is better than you in a 1 v 1 and how to make yourself easy to carry. The more you feed your lane the harder it is for everyone else on your team to turn the game around.

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I wouldn't do it myself but I do get where OP is coming from. It's frustrating to go even in a lane only to lose because mid lane went 0-6 to Irelia and now she's running over the entire match.

It makes no sense to keep on fighting the enemy once you die even once to him. Why? Because when the enemy lane comes back, they're going to be at least 300g ahead of you in combat stats and if they out played your ass once they can do it again only now they have more items to do it with. The two exceptions to this is if your JG is actively ganking you, and there's no chance for a counter gank (their jg is dead, or mid is dead, or both are on the opposite side of the map.), OR if for some reason you have a combat summoner spell advantage AND you have the ability to poke them down with better waveclear/wave management. If you manage to die under one of these conditions don't bother fighting them again till you hit a spike and its team fighting time cause now they're 600g ahead and you're kinda screwed.

So yeah saying "stop feeding" means you should hug your turret and not do anything stupid. And for havens sake ping the shit out your lane if they roam.

You don't have to carry/be amazing at the game. You don't even have to win your lane. You just need to understand when your laner opponent is better than you in a 1 v 1 and how to make yourself easy to carry. The more you feed your lane the harder it is for everyone else on your team to turn the game around.

Ty for getting it, I don't try to ever actively feed. Sometimes I just sit back and don't die, but its the people who just run into death, or get upset because I tell them to stop doing it and report me that upsets me. Riot seems to have taken this "non bully" system to far, I can't even type in the games. Even if I say just hug turret someone would possibly say "chill", "worry about your lane" or critique my play style in some form

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