I was wondering if a rioter would be able to discuss when the assassin reworks will be hitting the PBE and if the preseason is coming along with it? It should either be on 6.22 PBE or 6.23 PBE and I was wondering if maybe we could get an estimation on whether we will see it in a week or in 3 weeks time and if they come out at the same time?
RiotMeddler13 votesThe plan is for the assassin reworks to be part of the pre-season patch (6.22). That will hopefully hit the PBE next week. 6.22 will likely be on the PBE a bit longer than usual. We'll probably do 3 weeks between 6.21 and 6.22, in part to give some extra testing time.
T8 Speedwagon1 votesCoooool Also wanted to ask which exact items (if there is an accurate list of them) will be modified for the assassin update
RiotMeddler7 votesStill working on exact changes, though Ghostblade, Duskblade and Maw will definitely be in there. Probably looking at major changes to only half a dozen items or so this time, this'll be a smaller set of item changes than previous class updates.
There'll be a few changes to non AD items as well. Aegis will lose its aura for example but still exists as a Locket component, with a couple of new support items to fill the gap it leaves. Rylai's will get some changes too, though those might get delayed a patch or two if we don't hit on the appropriate version in time for 6.22.
Valor Bot2 votesCan you say if there will be any entirely new items for Assassins? I'm thinking an AD version of Protobelt but I'm not sure if that would be too strong on an already hypermobile class lol
BladeSteel1 votesIf I may know, are some invisible champs going to be changed to camouflage, or will it remain just eve with camouflage? I was thinking that rengar's ult would be a decent choice to make camouflage since he gets that close to you anyways before he attacks.
RiotMeddler5 votesMore than just Eve (wouldn't got with a new term if it was still a single champ specific thing).
Zerenza3 votesI heard there was an idea to make a ward or ward like item called something like "Mandrake Ward" or something that actually pings when an enemy passes by it. Are we going to get a new warding item like this in the assassin rework?
Slater1 votesI'm not sure to undestands some changes on Akali 
: you ( i mean the team ) said that pink wards wont be able to show akali : that's fucking awesome ! but for camo/invi user , how is the interaction with the red relic ? it's free and can do exactly the same thing in more efficent way than the pink ward ...
Tortferngatr2 votesYou still can't target Akali with red relic active.
hopeful41 votesYou said that in pre-season you will look into farming being more effective than roaming. I watch Worlds right now and farming is being prioritized way more, leading to very low kill games. Will you have changes regarding that aspect of the game?
RiotMeddler5 votesNot at this time. We did test some changes that would have shifted gold/XP from farming to other sources. Concern was that they potentially made the game noticeably more snowbally at a time where we expected a lot of assassins to be played (a class that takes advantage of snowball extremely well, in a more frustrating than most manner). We decided not to make those changes as a result, depending on how things pan out though it's possible we might revisit them for mid-season.
Theorex1 votesWill Maw be less oppressive to AP mages, or will it be just something easier to deal with? It gets rather frustrating for me to not be able to kill an AD champion because Maw pops and it gives them that little edge to overcome my Ryze W E Q E Q E E Q E Q combo. Lel; PS has anyone found out how to do the E E E Q 1.6k minimum damage combo?
Carnicore1 votesIt will be less oppressive if it's only bought by fighters (like Darius and Jarvan), champions that the item was originally intended for. If you take away stuff like the flat armorpen, then you won't have to worry about the likes of Zed or Talon building it midlane while maintaining kill pressure against you.
redfeenix1 votesAs a heroes player, I had farming. Its boring, tough, and not a skill that i would wanna practice or put the time into mastering.
Its boring.
I would rather have no minions at all, rather than having to last hit.
Anyways thats my extreme viewpoint.
Last time you said my Irelia pitch was a little too different from her current playstyle.
What do you think about Azir?
More of a sand necromancer that actually makes shurima rise again, rather than a right click DSP shredder.
Malicious Metal7 votesJust chiming in, hope you don't mind.
You did mention health being too universal a stat on Rylais seeing that everyone who could use AP would be able to buy it. But isn't that necessarily a bad thing? Rylais should be an option for Magic damage dealers, its universal stats made you able to pick it up whenever you thought you needed the bulk and utility.
WOuldn't giving it Mana/CDR somewhat skew with this?
Also, I heard that Rylais would get nerfed regardless, which is the right call. Is slow strength one of the factors you'll be chipping down, because let's be honest 40% AoE slows is a bit strong, huh?^^
Anyways, can't wait to get specifics, I'm thinking about it way too much anyways seeing that it's a core part of Morde's build
Melledoneus2 votesAnd so the silence begins.
A Red Herring2 voteswhen you posted this it was 10am in LA. MaliciousMetal posted at 3am. Meddler is not a robot, he cannot be awake 24/7 :P
Malicious Metal3 votesSo you're telling me Riot's gasp HUMAN?!?
Melledoneus2 votesN-no. That can't be true. Meddler resisted a cookie from me some time ago... Nothing human can resist that.
Ralanr1 votesWhat if he's diabetic?
Melledoneus1 votesRobots can't develop diseases.
(In reality, he likes chocolate chip and M&M cookies the most, mah man)
RiotMeddler6 votesAn update on Rylai's from yesterday:
Itself an update on a post from five days ago:
I really like Riot's approach to player communication which allows us as developers to just talk directly to you folks. It still takes time though that comes at the expense of actually making the game. If your expectations are for daily updates on everything in development, most of which will be 'still working on it', then my apologies, but we won't be meeting those expectations. Spending a decent amount of time on communication's really valuable, there's a point though where, if you don't have something new to say, you're paying a cost in progress elsewhere to offer little.
SlashStriker2 votesAn update on Rylai's from yesterday:
Itself an update on a post from five days ago:
I really like Riot's approach to player communication which allows us as developers to just talk directly to you folks. It still takes time though that comes at the expense of actually making the game. If your expectations are for daily updates on everything in development, most of which will be 'still working on it', then my apologies, but we won't be meeting those expectations. Spending a decent amount of time on communication's really valuable, there's a point though where, if you don't have something new to say, you're paying a cost in progress elsewhere to offer little.
what is going to happen with AP Tanks? 
Frozen Mallet gives 700 health.
I also think we got enough Mana Items for Mages
Malicious Metal7 votesI think you're doing a great job actually, so that's something.
Here, have a Cookie http://img14.deviantart.net/2c92/i/2015/347/0/5/morde_cookies_by_nimrohd-d9k00sj.jpg
This is totally not a way to bribe you into not making Rylais a Mana item, what are you guys even thinking?! My motives are pure
Solidair32 votesWill there be a preseason info site like midseason? I'm eager to see the the break down of changes to the assassins as well as whatever else is changing.
Also, in your opinion, will this preseason be as much of a dramatic change as last preseason?
RiotMeddler3 votesYup, we'll have a site that summarizes the changes.
In terms of amount of change I personally feel there's a lot in this pre-season. It's a wider spread of gameplay and non gameplay than in the past though, so rather than all being champion/item/map changes there's other really significant stuff coming at or around the same time (e.g. new client, return of Duo/Solo queue, replays, etc).
EROTIC RAID BOSS1 voteshave you found a way to add more monsters to the jungle yet again, that's the real question
Melledoneus1 votesOk, I wasn't aware you would actually respond. Forgive me, Meddler-senpai.
I meant the "silence" as in you'd be keeping it a surprise what exactly you were doing with Rylai's. I think Riot's communication system is much better than it has been since the beginning, especially with you working hard to answer all our questions about the hectic period of preparing for preseason. I can't wait to see what you guys have in store for the assassins and for potential balance changes to bring champions back into the meta (Shen, obviously).
I'm actually one of the few who know how hard it is to come out with new content and communicate with a playerbase as angry and impatient (spoiled) as this one, and I appreciate all your efforts to appease the masses of League. This is literally the only game I play, so forgive me if I sound a bit too critical, I forget my place sometimes.
Adalvar1 votesWill the Catalyst line see changes? ROA in particular has been in a bad state with the reduced AP, and the fact that it takes 10 minutes to give the same stats you get from a Rylai's and less synergy with Tear due to the lower mana.
Wizard Hat1 votesStill working on exact changes, though Ghostblade, Duskblade and Maw will definitely be in there. Probably looking at major changes to only half a dozen items or so this time, this'll be a smaller set of item changes than previous class updates.
There'll be a few changes to non AD items as well. Aegis will lose its aura for example but still exists as a Locket component, with a couple of new support items to fill the gap it leaves. Rylai's will get some changes too, though those might get delayed a patch or two if we don't hit on the appropriate version in time for 6.22.
Will armor pen runes maintain their current strength in terms of killing squishies? I'd like to buy them but I don't want to drop 6.6k ip on runes that are about to be heavily nerfed
Wolfram Oxford1 votesStill working on exact changes, though Ghostblade, Duskblade and Maw will definitely be in there. Probably looking at major changes to only half a dozen items or so this time, this'll be a smaller set of item changes than previous class updates.
There'll be a few changes to non AD items as well. Aegis will lose its aura for example but still exists as a Locket component, with a couple of new support items to fill the gap it leaves. Rylai's will get some changes too, though those might get delayed a patch or two if we don't hit on the appropriate version in time for 6.22.
Have you thought of GA changes? Like perhaps making it a very expensive consumable that is consumed upon death? I think this would be a nice change because it kind of shuts down assassins completely. It is literally the worst feeling when the enemy ADC has BT and GA, or their AP mage who already has 2.5k HP has a GA too.
Stone Ocean1 votesWill any ADC items get changes alongside those items since some builds rely on them?
Xavanic1 votesIn all honesty I'm glad these adc builds are getting dumpstered with the update, people will start playing more adcs then lucian/jhin, (legit, if you can adc decently and ban both of them the enemy is a chicken with their head cut off)
Karthus Pushed R1 votes{quoted} Aegis will lose its aura for example but still exists as a Locket component, with a couple of new support items to fill the gap it leaves.
So wait, are you just removing its aura and keeping its cost the same + giving it nothing else?
DarkRitual1 votesNot likely. We'll likely have to wait for the patch to hit PBE for us to know for sure.
RiotMeddler7 votesNo, it's cost and/or stats will be changing too.
Aerothal1 votesdo you have plans to compensate for taking away the only counter item against stealth assassins? i don't comprehend right now what to do anything against a Twitch, Kha, Akali or Rengar, if the vision ward doesn't work any more.
Malicious Metal3 votesWill you be buffing the active in return? I personally feel it should be more rewarding to time your shields, especially as a tank who needs to focus on: -Peeling -Engage -CC -Soaking damage
I build it a lot on my Nautilus top, not for the Aura but to help my team out more with well timed Shields to ruin an Assassin's day
KoKoboto1 votesI think they plan on giving another item an aura, locket is pretty stupid because you have to build it every game as support
FAR CRY DREAM1 votesHi Meddler, hope you guys are doing fine as always. Can I ask you about one assassin specifically? Didn't know where to ask. What are your thoughts on Nidalee? I don't play her, she is a little complicated for a complicated role which I don't play ( jungler ). But I was just wondering, she got nerfed, thought it was hard but apparently she is still doing fine, she isn't mentioned at all in the assassin's update. Nightblue also said in his stream if you want to learn Nidalee better not to start now as Riot is making changes with her. I'd like to hear from you guys what you think about her, where is she headed?
FleshEatinJesus1 votesO wow I see I got a lot of responses from you. Thanks so much for the answer and I'm super excited for next week.
Tannhauser Gate1 votesThe plan is for the assassin reworks to be part of the pre-season patch (6.22). That will hopefully hit the PBE next week. 6.22 will likely be on the PBE a bit longer than usual. We'll probably do 3 weeks between 6.21 and 6.22, in part to give some extra testing time.
Will you be opening the PBE to new testers who currently main Talon? I currently have a pending application.
Commando Yi2 votesif you plan on changing ghostblade can you guys salvage botrk first so that yi can build something useful?
Kyunsei1 votes@Meddler
Will there be some change to Bloodrazor in early pre-season (patch 6.22/6.23) ? Since it's the sole enchant who wasn't even bought once in the world championship.
Zerenza1 votesBloodrazor is usually bought on champions that aren't good for LCS in the first place so i doubt it. The jungler's i saw get picked for the most part were Olaf, Rek'sai, Lee Sin, Elise and Nidalee and none of those build bloodrazor. If shyvana, Master yi or Xin Zhao were picked then we would have seen bloodrazor but those champs aren't good for LCS level of play.
Zykritch1 votesAn update on Rylai's from yesterday:
Itself an update on a post from five days ago:
I really like Riot's approach to player communication which allows us as developers to just talk directly to you folks. It still takes time though that comes at the expense of actually making the game. If your expectations are for daily updates on everything in development, most of which will be 'still working on it', then my apologies, but we won't be meeting those expectations. Spending a decent amount of time on communication's really valuable, there's a point though where, if you don't have something new to say, you're paying a cost in progress elsewhere to offer little.
Modified this post, but I'd appreciate if you could read and comment on this, Meddler:
http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/lfbZuTNL-assassin-update-revised
l AM Sora1 votesThere is 1 thing bothering me.. The ghostblade changes.. Why change this item? cz of lucian and jhin? make it Melee only.. its a sword man cmon use ur fantasy. btw u guys should change BC to melee & non marksman champions so gnar still can use it etc.. its really hard to win a game where a lucian/mf can ult from behind and melt tanks and 1shot u as a squishy
