Full AP "Support"

Kadranos·10/28/2016, 9:27:40 PM·3 votes·3,116 views

So, I've had this in numerous games, and it's honestly starting to really irritate the hell out of me.

The enemy "support" is nothing more than a mid laner just building full damage. No support items, just damage. Zhonyas, Deathcap, etc. You name it, they have it. Now typically, this wouldn't bother me that much, but it's when they are performing so exceedingly well that champions who actually fit that support niche(such as nami, soraka, you know them all) are outclassed, all because the enemy potential to do damage is much greater than the ability of a real support style champion to mitigate it or heal it off.

Just got finished going against a "support" Syndra who just built all damage. She would just click R and drop our adc IN LANE. This was early game. Late game it was just as bad, except anyone was a potential target. We had a Zyra building actual support items, and she would try her damndest to help him, but it didn't matter.

Syndra is just one example. You have your usual suspects such as Brand and Annie, but to be frank, you could honestly take any mid AP carry into the support role down in bot lane, build full damage, and successfully win if not roll your enemy laners, assuming the match up was ADC/Real Support vs ADC/Mid laner(Full AP)

Why is this allowed? In my opinion, it seems contrary to the "healthful" game status that Riot wants to promote. I shouldn't have to worry about the enemy support in my lane landing a stun/ cc ability on me and then vaporizing me all alone. What the hell is that?

Is it so hard to role lock items(at least in ranked) so that can't be permitted? It's just stupid and not fun.

Surely I'm not the only one who feels this way.

/endrant.

P.S.- Don't even get me started on the whole support MF nonsense.

10 Comments

CerealBoxOfDoom10/28/2016, 9:43:15 PM2 votes

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Surely I'm not the only one who feels this way.

Why do people keep saying this like its ever not going to be true.

you could literally say "I like big meaty ****" and someone will agree with you.

Swiftstrike410/28/2016, 9:41:09 PM1 votes

Supports only exist really to get the ADC through the laning phase. Supports can technically be anything that can help the ADC early and help the team later.

Supports only emerged because they were needed to help the marksmen. There is no official champion that is a designated support, nor an official build.

You basically played against two bot laners and one was a high damage AP and the other was a marksmen.

There is a reason specific supports are selected in the bot lane because they have utility, sustain, and scale pretty decently without items.

If "support syndra" goes bottom then your support and ADC should be versed well enough in the game to punish that choice. The choice is considered suboptimal.

Your jungler should also be good enough at the game to punish that choice.

The fact that 5 platinum level players were not able too capitalize on what is likely suboptimal play by the opponents suggests a few things:

  1. Your team was not very good and chose incorrect responses
  2. The champion in question is largely unbalanced
  3. The opposing team played around such a choice

I think it is probably the first and last point. I don't think syndra is grossly unbalanced.

I guess there is the fourth option that the support tank cc role could be marginalized by a support carry and we shift to a meta that is just AP carries. I don't think riot would permit this (remember when support brand was everywhere).

She didn't even build sightstone suggesting that your team also didn't even capitalize on the vision loss.

I will write it off as an anomaly and your team lost because it was unpredictable and they didn't know how to respond.

If you can't punish that choice, or your bot lane fails in doing so, then that seems like an issue of the players not a balance issue.

SwiftKitten8810/28/2016, 9:47:45 PM1 votes

by "enemy support" do you mean the support that was supposed to be on your team but made your game a 6v4

i mean going full AP AFTERitem 2049 anditem 3092 is one thing.. and that's normal for champs like Lux

but no support items? yeah you're screwed