Dark Harvest - Why certains champions Can proc Dark Harvest and others can't

LifenBlade·12/5/2019, 6:01:46 AM·3 votes·4,654 views

I have been playing with DH, for a while now, and i have realised that Talon passive doesn't proc Dark harvest

The reason was because Talon passive is a proc, and procs don't (proc(procs))

but then I tested this with Darius and Twitch, I found out that there passives didn't proc DH. Dariusand Twitch don't break the rule, of procs can't proc, procs. as it's not a 3 hit activation like Talon , just a single hit. So maybe it's just that passives can't proc, proc's. but then there's Brand .

Brand passive works, with every spell, and somehow procs DH, why is this? Well it turns out, that Brand passive is classed as a spell, so that's why it works. Which to me, just sounds stupid.

I don't see the problem of other champion like darius or twitch being able to proc, DH with their passives. so why does riot only allow Brand to proc, it with his passive but not allow others. The only reason why Brand can go DH is because he procs it with his passive, if they allows more to proc it, more champions could go DH.

I find their reasoning to not be consistent.

If Teemo E was his passive, he will no longer be able to proc DH, with his Dot. but lucky it's his E passive so its does proc it. I wish riot would allow DH to proc with all abilities or just allow passives like Talon and Darius and Twitch to be able to proc it.

Darius passive=(Bleed) no Proc Twitch passive=(Poison) no Proc Talon passive=(Bleed)no Proc Brand passive= (Burn) Proc Teemo E passive=(Poison) Proc

10 Comments

Zane Zephyr12/5/2019, 7:40:10 AM2 votes

This is why, taken from patch 8.24:

Dark Harvest Base damage decreased. Can't proc off other procs.

We followed up 8.23 with a few quick nerfs to Dark Harvest's damage, and 8.24 brings another. We're shaving off baseline strength, particularly in the early game, to ensure Dark Harvest's performance relies on how effectively its users can stack it up. On that note, we're also making it harder to stack by removing its proc-off-proc cases, which actually makes the premise a bit more clear: If your target's below the threshold before you hit them, you'll get a stack.

BASE DAMAGE:40-80 (lv 1-18) ⇒ 20-60 (lv 1-18)

PROC MODEL: Can no longer proc off other procs (ex. Scorch, Liandry's Torment) aside from Luden's Echo, whose effect is built to behave like a separate ability

LifenBlade12/5/2019, 6:23:29 AM1 votes

My friend told me talon was bad his DH, but I played it anyway, until i realised why talon was bad with. when talons passive damaged the opponent putting them from 55% to 45%, without proc'ing DH I realised, how much a difference it could make if it did. i would go from unplayable to usable.

Thunder Dreamss12/5/2019, 1:53:20 PM1 votes

As of the preseason Teemo no longer procs Dark Harvest with his E. I haven't tested extensively but I don't think the DoT of his mushrooms procs it after the first tic of damage.

ZackTheWaffleMan12/5/2019, 7:02:10 PM1 votes

Twitch Teemo (and Cassiopeia ) are not Bleeds or Burns, they are Poison

LifenBlade12/5/2019, 11:49:35 PM1 votes

Teemo Maokai Malzahar Twitch Brand

was gonna be my DH burn comp