New jungle plants suck

Señor Agua·Nov 11, 2016·3 votes·1,530 views

They are completely unnecessary and I believe riot is overdoing it with these. The new krugs and raptors are whacky enough. What do y'all think?

17 Comments

Chamuel85Nov 11, 20162 votes

I like the flavor they add.

Señor AguaNov 11, 20161 votes

They're definitely interesting I'll give it that haha

Very Hard EngageNov 11, 20162 votes

to me the plants aren't neutral enough. they aren't something that everyone can benefit from and they aren't situational either, they're nothing to play around, and they dont make jungling more interesting.

like a ranged player now has to straddle the blue one to get vision just right to see over a wall.

a lee sin has no business hitting a red.

i guess health/mana is ok... but im tanky and didn't take damage... or if it was offered early game you just added 5 seconds onto my clear time without making it now doable that it was there, vs not there...

blue is easily the most valued and sought after, but its not good enough or prevalent enough to make a difference that wards could already do.

Señor AguaNov 11, 20161 votes

I'm just surprised riot agreed to putting a random ziggs w in the jungle lol. But you make a good point

ValyrianBladeNov 11, 20161 votes

I think there will be a lot more strategy around them once people get used to them. I've already used the berries a few times to heal up while roaming from Top to Mid (they don't expect you to roam at half health [or it was just a Syndra who figured her R would kill me if I did], but then suddenly you show up at 3/4 and catch her surprised). They're also useful to heal up before starting Baron if you're low after the pre-fight.

The vision is also interesting. I aimed one towards top lane when I was stealing the enemy blue buff to make sure the enemy top laner couldn't collapse on me if the jungler was going to contest. No one showed, but the vision also showed me his ward in top river on my way out - easily setting up a gank because we now knew his trinket vision was gone.

The blast cone... I think it's a good balancing point actually. There are plenty of times when invading is a good but not great play (e.g. 70-30 play) and people don't want to make it because if the 30 happens the punishment is pretty big since their immobile. Given conditional mobility allows these guys to make this sort of play, and maybe also creates some punishment for the mobile guys who go for it when it's a 20-80 play because they can get out just by burning some cooldowns.

They're new. People typically don't like change. It's a lot better change than a lot of ones we've seen before though (removal of mana pots, introduction of an ability that blocks projectiles, keystone masteries, etc...) and yet we've gotten used to all of those.

ProjektSHINNov 11, 20161 votes

the plants itself brings a level of 'randomness" that has no place on a game that people play competitively.... while they are far from breaking the game... the jungle shouldn't have little gimmicks like that.... anyone that thinks the plants are "beneficial" or that they are a good change... are the people that don't really care about consistency... they probably play SSB on Random Stage and Items on...

Señor AguaNov 11, 20161 votes

I couldn't have said it better myself. Pretty much exactly how I feel (and I play competitive smash xD)

Chamuel85Nov 11, 20161 votes

I'm pretty sure anyone against them just hates change and wants season 1 back and hates Rift Herald as well and any new item added at all. Especially hates it when the champion they main receives any changes.

Plants have a rigid spawn location especially the first time. They do a static thing. They have regular spawn timers with indicators on the mini map. It's not very RNG at all.

Señor AguaNov 11, 20161 votes

I'm not against change. I liked the S6 ADC update, assassin update, new jg update in s5, and a lot of things. This to me just seems kind of too random and unnecessary

Chamuel85Nov 11, 20161 votes

They're not really random at all in and of themselves. Unless you mean, plants came out of no where (aka random). Plants are just an opportunity to spice up the game. I know some people haven't gotten used to everything, but there is a large part of the community who has been playing for forever. It gives them something additional to master.

ProjektSHINNov 12, 20161 votes

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I'm pretty sure anyone against them just hates change and wants season 1 back and hates Rift Herald as well and any new item added at all. Especially hates it when the champion they main receives any changes.

Plants have a rigid spawn location especially the first time. They do a static thing. They have regular spawn timers with indicators on the mini map. It's not very RNG at all.

it has NOTHING to do with change.... as i stated before... the plants bring NOTHING to a level competitive playing field....

to reiterate... i'm not against changes... a lot of the changes have been for the better.... the plants are not the case...

Chamuel85Nov 12, 20161 votes

Perhaps you're just super extra bad at communicating that you're not against something.

"brings a level of 'randomness" that has no place on a game " - seems negative and against.

the jungle shouldn't have little gimmicks like that - again... seems negative and against.

anyone that thinks the plants are "beneficial" or that they are a good change... are the people that don't really care about consistency - oh man... another negative and against comment. PLUS super dismissive and like 'ME GOD YOU BAD CUZ ME SAY!"

they probably play SSB on Random Stage and Items on... - ho man, anotehr very insultive negative comment.

TLDR; i absolutely wonder why anyone could get the impression you're against something when about 80% of what you say is negative about it

ProjektSHINNov 12, 20161 votes

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Perhaps you're just super extra bad at communicating that you're not against something.

"brings a level of 'randomness" that has no place on a game " - seems negative and against.

the jungle shouldn't have little gimmicks like that - again... seems negative and against.

anyone that thinks the plants are "beneficial" or that they are a good change... are the people that don't really care about consistency - oh man... another negative and against comment. PLUS super dismissive and like 'ME GOD YOU BAD CUZ ME SAY!"

they probably play SSB on Random Stage and Items on... - ho man, anotehr very insultive negative comment.

TLDR; i absolutely wonder why anyone could get the impression you're against something when about 80% of what you say is negative about it

lol perhaps i am... because apparently you're quite butt-hurt over my opinion... which i am very sorry for kid...i really didn't mean to hurt your feelings... in fact i don't even know how i did so... lol... just a couple things to keep in mind... first... you don't care about my opinion... the same way that i really don't care about yours lol... second.. posting out your aggression on these forums is not a viable/healthy alternative to slowly talking/thinking things through... third... have you made it this far?? if so good job, now ask yourself... does it really matter? now stop take a breath.. and really ask yourself that before you respond to this pointless thread on a forum about a video game... does it matter? i would hope that you would say no.. considering that you were born in 1985 and should possess a mentality some what resembling an adult... lol.... so yea and no... the plants do nothing... the plants are a bad gimmicky idea... you WERE one of those kids that played SSB with items and on a non final destination stage lol... feelsbadman... but again you wouldn't understand then... so it's ok.. i have nothing against you.. nor the fact that you love the plants... it really is OK... my life is gonna move on... i suggest you do the same.........

OR..... you could waste some more time and effort in a futile response to this very reply which to be quite honest... NO ONE gives a rats ass about... myself included.. k?? thx?? bye??

Nik NikersonNov 12, 20161 votes

You may not get this, but plants aren't supposed to be bringing competitive balance to the game. They are there to make the game more interesting. A small level of variance doesn't drastically hurt a competitive game, but it does add replay value. The majority of players are casual, and for league to have a long term existence, it has to keep the game interesting and fun for them.

JoeMGNov 11, 20161 votes

They're pretty whatever. I can see them being useful in situations but for the most part they just feel like cheap gimmicks. Doesn't really add anything to the jungle experience.