Bruisers in the Top Lane

Boxbox n Tobias·Jan 29, 2018·7 votes·935 views

When a full tank Maokai, Ornn, Malphite out trades you there's a problem. Make a fucking bruiser keystone.

30 Comments

SlythionJan 29, 20184 votes

they already have stated they're "making a fucking bruiser keystone"

ApocalypsicJan 29, 20185 votes

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they already have stated they're "making a fucking bruiser keystone"

Stating and doing are two different things.

They've been stating it for a while now.

SlythionJan 29, 20182 votes

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/7AZd4Gp0-good-news-bruiser-keystone-is-coming-confirmed-by-riot-3

AirKingNeoJan 30, 20182 votes

Bruiser Update coming ~~2014~~ !!!

Bruiser Update coming ~~2015~~ !!!

Bruiser Update coming ~~2016~~ !!!

Bruiser Update coming ~~2017~~ !!!

SlythionJan 30, 20182 votes

I haven't active enough for long enough to know of them promising from 2014-2016, but I was just as disappointed as everyone else to know theyre bruiser class update was pushed back then canceled.

But we aren't talking about a whole bruiser update with vague "sometime this year" promises, we're talking about a single keystone after giving specific patch expectations.

Your argument is very salt-driven, but holds little relevance or reality.

AirKingNeoJan 30, 20181 votes

How 'passionate' my argument is irrelevant. My argument is very relevant and very real. Riot lies about helping bruisers and has proven such.

SlythionJan 30, 20181 votes

to compare a promise that involves an entire class update under the time limit of "sometime this year" is a hugeee reach to a promise of a keystone in the next couple patches.

Even if you trust them, it's hardly fair to flat out tell them they're lying or to use a promise as a catalyst to flame them more. That only provides incentive to stop communicating to the community as a whole over anything.

AirKingNeoJan 30, 20181 votes

I'm saying they are notorious for lying.

OxyrottenJan 30, 20181 votes

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Bruiser Update coming ~~2014~~ !!!

Bruiser Update coming ~~2015~~ !!!

Bruiser Update coming ~~2016~~ !!!

Bruiser Update coming ~~2017~~ !!!

~~Bruiser Update coming 2018~~ !!! "Wait we gave you ranged spell aggro, what more do you want?" - Riot

SlythionJan 30, 20182 votes

to be honest that's a huge ass buff, even if that's not everything they need it's definitely not something to complain or even hold against them for

OxyrottenJan 30, 20181 votes

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to be honest that's a huge ass buff, even if that's not everything they need it's definitely not something to complain or even hold against them for

It is a good step in the right direction. And it does help toplane, but it's also a global nerf/indirect buff. But I will reply to your other comment as it becomes more relevant to this situation here.

RenownedWheat42Jan 29, 20182 votes

Do you think it's as simple as someone waving a wand and suddenly POOF there's a bruiser keystone?

Lmao, that's not how it works. Doing requires conceptualizing, testing, balancing, more testing, etc., before implementation, and if it's not at the top of the list of priorities then of course it's not going to be even close to immediate.

ApocalypsicJan 30, 20182 votes

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Do you think it's as simple as someone waving a wand and suddenly POOF there's a bruiser keystone?

Lmao, that's not how it works. Doing requires conceptualizing, testing, balancing, more testing, etc., before implementation, and if it's not at the top of the list of priorities then of course it's not going to be even close to immediate.

They've had two months for that, honestly more at this point considering how much of an oversight this was in the first place.

This honestly shouldn't be remotely ok.

AirKingNeoJan 30, 20182 votes

Yes, I do. It's called FERVOR OF BATTLE or PRESS THE ATTACK, BUT MELEES GET 5-20 MORE BASE DAMAGE!

Literally not hard to do.

Boxbox n TobiasJan 29, 20185 votes

When are they doing to do something about it? They've talked for a long time now.

KairoptraJan 29, 20181 votes

Meddler said in one of his recent posts that the keystone went into internal testing not too long ago, so we shouldn't expect updates for a few weeks, as its final design is too flexible at this point.

OxyrottenJan 30, 20182 votes

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Meddler said in one of his recent posts that the keystone went into internal testing not too long ago, so we shouldn't expect updates for a few weeks, as its final design is too flexible at this point.

Meddler also fed us an entire page full of bullshit regarding bruiser updates in his recent posts. Adding to a history of riot lying out there ass to us. Adding to a history of give us bullshit updates that do nothing or make things worse. Adding to a history of riot completely ignoring bruisers hoping that the bruiser players will quit or just get tired of complaining.

As you can see actions speak louder than words.

KairoptraJan 30, 20182 votes

The OP asked when, and I told him what Meddler said, which is the only information we have. I'm only relaying what he said; I'm not advocating for either side. If you want to complain, go to Riot, not me.

AirKingNeoJan 30, 20182 votes

IT'S BEEN TWO MONTHS SINCE RUNES REFORGED LAUNCHED

AND NO ONE AT RIOT DESIGN THOUGHT ONE FIFTH OF THE CHAMPIONS ARE UNPLAYABLE BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A KEYSTONE

AND YOU TOTALLY THINK THEY'RE NOT GONNA SAY, "SORRY, WE'RE CANCELING THE BRUISER KEYSTONE LIKE WE DID THE BRUISER UPDATE!"

COMING SOON MY ASS; GIVE ME SOMETHING TANGIBLE OR I CONSIDER THEM LYING AS USUAL

SlythionJan 30, 20183 votes

please, text-screaming is not very...ah, useful.

anyways, no one said the oversight was ok, or that the delay was ok. In fact, this entire situation is fucked and Riot dropped a huge ass ball. It's completely unforgivable and I'll give riot shit for it for a very long time.

But to pretend like a keystone for a class of champions that's promised within a few patches from now is even remotely comparable to an entire class update promised with the vague "sometime this year" shit then you're very mistaken man.

Also, kicking and screaming through the whole process doesn't fix anything. I love a good ol' tantrum every now and then, but to literally give Riot shit through every stage of the process only gives incentive to riot to not provide updates and to not communicate with the playerbase anymore. What's the point when they're just gonna get senselessly screamed at (literally screamed at as you've shown) by immature and salty players that just want to vent childlike emotion rather than provide new, constructive, and usable feedback?

The community needs to improve, cuz this is sad. Mature up and learn to express criticism and dissatisfaction in a respectable way

AirKingNeoJan 30, 20181 votes

I'm not screaming at them through the process. The process is over and I'm screaming at them because they failed, because they didn't communicate, because they refused to give updates.

Senseless? Did you read what I said? Two months in and 1/5 of the champions can't be played. Two months and we haven't taken the very simple solution to a very easy to fix an issue. That's very sensible.

The community doesn't need to improve. The community is literally fine and very much quiet angry because we have been lied to on multiple occasions. Would you be angry at someone if they lied to you? Are you angry at someone in a position of power, like your government, for not doing what they supposed to do? That's the community right now at a breaking point.

SlythionJan 30, 20182 votes

You're twisting and flat out ignoring parts of my reply.

I agreed with you that the community should be angry, and I admitted that I was angry myself. I literally just critiqued your method of expressing that anger through the use of immature screaming and taking the opportunity to yell at riot every the subject comes up or plan/schedule is made. It's embarrassing and you should compose yourself better.

AirKingNeoJan 30, 20181 votes

You're twisting and flat out ignoring parts of my reply.

No, it's called poking holes. Pretty much the basics of arguing. You exploit the weak points of an argument by pointing them out.

I'm saying they're lying and I'll believe them when they prove something rather than make an empty promise again.

OxyrottenJan 30, 20181 votes

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they already have stated they're "making a fucking bruiser keystone"

They have promised us a lot, and they have continuously let us down and neglected us and forgotten about us and lied to us.

SlythionJan 30, 20181 votes

I agree that riot has been downright horrible in communication and actually doing as they say they plan to do.

But (and there is a but), that does not mean it's somehow acceptable to use any new thing they say as a catalyst to flame and complain before they do or don't carry it out

OxyrottenJan 30, 20181 votes

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I agree that riot has been downright horrible in communication and actually doing as they say they plan to do.

But (and there is a but), that does not mean it's somehow acceptable to use any new thing they say as a catalyst to flame and complain before they do or don't carry it out

My point isn't that I am holding it against them (referring to the aggro change in the other comment line), my point is they did that and made an entire post about all these wonderful changes that were happening and how much attention there were giving us, but when you read through it you realize it is literal bullshit and lies surrounding a single change. They placate us with promises that they never come through on, and they have done this for years and years now. Literally how many points did that post have? Like seven points, a couple pages and the ONLY thing it actually said was "oh we gave you targeted spell aggro in addition to all these other promises that you will never see".

I mean meddler flat out came out and said "I didn't make that change so it's not my fault if it hurt toplane". Last I checked he posts with a Riot next to his name. Last time I checked he was making those posts to address issues on behalf of Riot..

Then he posts some bullshit statistics that are completely misrepresentations of the truth, but 99% of the kids that play this game don't have the education needed to realize that their statistics are complete and utter lies intended to deceive and misinform us.

You say it's not acceptable to flame them for not following through on things yet, but your forgetting that this has been going on for years, and years, and years... I got pissed off in season 5 about their outright lies and neglect, but the truth is they have been doing this since season 3. They have consistently flat out LIED, consistently for years. They have consistently not carried out their promises, consistently for years. So then when does it become acceptable to flame them?

SlythionJan 30, 20182 votes

Didn't we have a bruiser/juggernaut meta in season 5? That's about when I really started getting involved in league, but I'm pretty sure I played a lot of Darius/Jax around that time.

I guess my overall point is that it's ok to express anger and disbelief in Riot and what they say, but some people flat out tell yell and scream like children (literally) at any opportunity they can. This method of communication isn't just unproductive, it's anti-productive.

OxyrottenJan 30, 20181 votes

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Didn't we have a bruiser/juggernaut meta in season 5? That's about when I really started getting involved in league, but I'm pretty sure I played a lot of Darius/Jax around that time.

I guess my overall point is that it's ok to express anger and disbelief in Riot and what they say, but some people flat out tell yell and scream like children (literally) at any opportunity they can. This method of communication isn't just unproductive, it's anti-productive.

Productive or not, it is what it is. And I find it hard to say that it isn't warranted.

The juggernaut patch did make darius/garen and morde pretty strong, and the rest of melee got indirect buffs through itemization. But and this is where it gets convoluted, so did tanks, and they also got a global base armor buff. Also the meta was great and in our favor for a couple weeks. But then the meta shifted to hard counter melee entirely. Bruisers and other melee tops became utterly useless by the next patch. Of course this is perspective and I am sure there are a ton of Teemo mains that will jump in and tell you it was the best thing to ever happen because they became relevant again, or Jayce/Quinn mains who were undefeated.

But anyway the point is that was our peak, and since then it has been a steady downfall into unviable oblivion. Nerf after nerf after nerf, and our matchups got buff after buff after buff. We were promised, Riot literally said they promise to address our issues, and then not a word. Not a single word, but the nerfs both direct and indirect continued. The buffs to our matchups both direct and indirect continued. Our matchups who already hard countered entire classes, seriously how is that an allowable thing? that you can 1 trick a champion that hard counters an entire class? It's like if they made zed playable in botlane, and then removed supports from botlane. So to "address" the issue with bruisers/melee riot buffed tanks and said "sorry bruisers suck and we haven't done anything about it, why don't you just play tanks instead?". And then the buffs to tanks continued adding yet another class that we can't play against... Enter bramble vest and ninja tabi... Item's intentionally designed to fuck melee and bruisers. Intentionally designed to further buff another class to counter us. I know your going to say "but Oxy, those are aimed at ADC's", sure then why didn't they add a delimiter or modifier that makes it ranged only, when they both completely make aa based combat just asinine.

You know how Riot always makes releases that are wayyy overtuned? Then after they get all the sales out of them that they can they slowly tweak them into balance? That's what happened to us up top essentially, except they never balanced us, they just kept nerfing us, and buffing everyone else instead because that was the direction they wanted to take the game.

SlythionJan 29, 20183 votes

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/7AZd4Gp0-good-news-bruiser-keystone-is-coming-confirmed-by-riot-3

someone's downvoting my comments for providing information...ok lmao

Laura ßJan 30, 20181 votes

Been playing bruisers since season 2 and I have outright quit the top lane now, its just funny how a random player that doesnt even main top lane or champions like Ornn Nasus Nautilus can just shit on you because of the plain reason they are OP and dont need any type of skill other than use all the abilities on cooldown and beat the hell out of a bruiser main.

Top lane is for bruisers leave tanks for support and jungle role, its unfun and just makes the lane boring as fuck, im only silver 5 and my winrate is at an all time low because of this meta, but the funny part is when I pick one of the broken picks I suddenly just win and with the slightest use of my skill and brain, Im not saying it because I hate tanks its because I REALY DONT use my brain and effort to win lane with them.