I play a lot of lee sin and after the removal of trackers knife he has become bad I thought oh trackers knife is gone guess ill build sight stone but that's gone too and two wards will not cut it. He was going to be the champ that got me out of silver and he got nerfed feels bad riot can you anything to help us lee mains (i have two other accounts that have lee). 
theses items don't really help lee the wards do, please add some sort of compensation.
Novalas9 votesOur Live Gameplay team's exploring Lee Sin buffs to compensate (other than damage buffs). Can't spill the deets yet though!
TheSingularity5 votesPerhaps changing his kit is necessary? If he is that reliant on overbearing mobilty through ward hops. If that one aspect dictates whether he's overbearing to deal with/catch or a troll pick... then that spell is near useless in relation to his kit.
Buffing his numbers will only be a bandaid fix as the gaping hole in his mobility will be extremely prevalent and he will feel brutally unfair as he one shots people with little counterplay.
ward hop, Q point blank, ult Q, flash out. The flash cost is irrelevant if the pick he makes wins the fight and then the game. And in this meta, one pick decides everything if it's the right target
DeadUnborn1 voteschange his passive to make his trinket slot work differently, so that his can use more wards that last less time
Anomander1 votesHow about you fix his play pattern land q and try to 100-0 or miss q and walk away.
RsViagra1 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot Novalas,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Vj4PmPPX,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-03-02T04:43:04.847+0000)
Our Live Gameplay team's exploring Lee Sin buffs to compensate (other than damage buffs). Can't spill the deets yet though!
how long can we expect it to take?
Torgal3 votesOh look, he don't have his abusive ward hop anymore
Done252 votesHow about removing ward hoping entirely and then applying all that power budget elsewhere? Like better base stats or some such.
u suck lol1 votesThat would be like removing the champion all together... If you don't play lee, do not comment here ty:)
Done252 votes[{quoted}](name=Adrian Lee Sin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Vj4PmPPX,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-03-02T15:12:30.648+0000)
That would be like removing the champion all together... If you don't play lee, do not comment here ty:)
If you can't resist the urge to be unpleasant, do not comment at all. Thanks. :)
Ward hopping wasn't even intended. Riot even tried to remove it in the past, in exchange for some solid buffs to the rest of his kit, but Lee's rabid fanbase got all super pissy about it.
u suck lol1 votesRiven's mechanics were not also intended, yet they keept it since it became a core mechanic for her. The same counts for Lee with wards. And I am in nowhere rude, just blatantly honest. Not my problem if you get emotional through the internet.
Done251 votes[{quoted}](name=Adrian Lee Sin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Vj4PmPPX,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2018-03-02T21:59:25.270+0000)
Riven's mechanics were not also intended, yet they keept it since it became a core mechanic for her. The same counts for Lee with wards. And I am in nowhere rude, just blatantly honest. Not my problem if you get emotional through the internet.
Last I checked people hate Riven for that just as much as they hate Lee.
u suck lol1 votesWhat? On the contrary, that is what riot and riven players like with her. That the mechanics gives champions depth. You don't seem to want to reward good plays and devoted players.
Done251 votesAnimation canceling isn't "depth". It's just mechanics and muscle memory. Lulu has depth. Between her Q shooting from both herself and Pix or the way both her W and E have different effects depending on if you click friend or foe. Lulu has multiple choices that she can make over the course of a fight. Does she shield an ally, or tag an enemy who's about to jump into a bush? Meanwhile, Riven just rolls her face across the keys. (I'm being snarky in case you couldn't tell.)
u suck lol1 votesIt is subjective, for sure. However, no high ELO player would ever describe riven players as rolling their faces across their keyboards.
Done251 votesI literally put in brackets for you that I wasn't being serious about Riven players rolling their face across the keyboard.
Most true Riven players allow their cats to walk on the keys instead.
u suck lol1 votesSo funny. You're literally not even able to put out reasonable arguments with proof. You're only basing your opinion from your own emotions which is a HUGE fallacy. End of discussion.
Done251 votesI literally gave just Lulu as an example of good depth and you didn't say any thing about it. Animation canceling on Riven just raises her skill floor. As far as I'm aware there's no reason to not do it.
u suck lol1 votesWhat you said about lulu could be said about EVERY(almost) character ever. And besides, it is just your opinion. Show some research from a survey or maybe a post from riot talking about how intricate lulu's kit is. I for one, does not know any Lulu one tricks, famous players or friends. Lulu may be intricate as you say, but she has no depth since people does not like(or hate) her as much as lee or riven since they offer a wide range of skill. The more you write the more you sound like a 'noob'. You don't seem to understand Lee's or Riven's kit because you cannot master them or play against them. Let's end this discussion here thank you.
Done251 votesWhat you said about lulu could be said about EVERY(almost) character ever.
Except it can't. In fact, a lot of the LoL champions have fairly simple/shallow kits. For example, Garen's gameplay pretty much 100% consists of just running at the enemy. Sometimes you can time Q or E to negate CC, but that's about it.
And besides, it is just your opinion.
Except it's not. How Lulu's kit works is an objective fact. What I think has no bearing upon the mechanics of her Q.
Show some research from a survey or maybe a post from riot talking about how intricate lulu's kit is.
.... Why the hell do you need a survey to tell you how Lulu's kit works?
I for one, does not know any Lulu one tricks, famous players or friends.
http://www.lolking.net/builds/lulu-build/426583/Enorbimus-Diamond-guide#/section4 Here you go. Diamond I player.
Lulu may be intricate as you say, but she has no depth since people does not like(or hate) her as much as lee or riven since they offer a wide range of skill.
You obviously haven't seen people's hate for Lulu top. Also, what does popularity have to do with depth? Are you trying to say that only popular champions can be deep, or that all deep champions are popular?
The more you write the more you sound like a 'noob'. You don't seem to understand Lee's or Riven's kit because you cannot master them or play against them. Let's end this discussion here thank you.
Haha. Way to evade all the questions and then take your ball home with you. You'd make a great politician.
Complexity = Skill floor Depth = Skill ceiling
A champ who is high in complexity but low is depth is bad. They are hard to learn but leave little room for skill expression once mastered. A champ who is low in complexity but high in depth is good. They're easy to pick up, but have lots of room for skill expression in a variety of ways.
Here's some additional examples.
Riven is a shallow champion because she does one thing and one thing only. Run at the enemy. None of her skills have any way to be applied differently. Pressing her AoE stun will always have the exact same result.
Meanwhile, you have champions like Lee Sin (gasp), Taliyah, and Brand whos kits can create different outcomes depending on how they're used.
Lee Sin's depth is in his R. It always kicks people away from him so positioning is key. Do you want to kick Sion away from your team and into his own, or do you want to sneak in behind Varus and kick him into the waiting arms of your allies?
Taliyah has her AoE Seismic Shove ability. Does she: Use it to forcibly disengage the incoming WW, try to pull someone closer to herself, or toss them sideways into the bush where her jungler is waiting? Three different outcomes all from one single skill.
And then we have Brand. All three of his basic abilities have an extra effect if the enemy is Ablaze. Do you want to maximize single target damage via Conflagration-Sear-Pillar, or would you prefer to farm a minion wave via using Sear-Conflagration-Pillar on the canon minion? Perhaps you'd prefer to go for a riskier long range pick instead by going Pillar-Sear-Conflagration against someone hanging back. Three skills that have very different results depending simply on the order in which they are used.
Meanwhile, Riven can...very slightly nudge someone in a direction depending on where she lands her final Q?
RsViagra2 votesExcept it can't. In fact, a lot of the LoL champions have fairly simple/shallow kits. For example, Garen's gameplay pretty much 100% consists of just running at the enemy. Sometimes you can time Q or E to negate CC, but that's about it.
Except it's not. How Lulu's kit works is an objective fact. What I think has no bearing upon the mechanics of her Q.
.... Why the hell do you need a survey to tell you how Lulu's kit works?
http://www.lolking.net/builds/lulu-build/426583/Enorbimus-Diamond-guide#/section4 Here you go. Diamond I player.
You obviously haven't seen people's hate for Lulu top. Also, what does popularity have to do with depth? Are you trying to say that only popular champions can be deep, or that all deep champions are popular?
Haha. Way to evade all the questions and then take your ball home with you. You'd make a great politician.
Complexity = Skill floor Depth = Skill ceiling
A champ who is high in complexity but low is depth is bad. They are hard to learn but leave little room for skill expression once mastered. A champ who is low in complexity but high in depth is good. They're easy to pick up, but have lots of room for skill expression in a variety of ways.
Here's some additional examples.
Riven is a shallow champion because she does one thing and one thing only. Run at the enemy. None of her skills have any way to be applied differently. Pressing her AoE stun will always have the exact same result.
Meanwhile, you have champions like Lee Sin (gasp), Taliyah, and Brand whos kits can create different outcomes depending on how they're used.
Lee Sin's depth is in his R. It always kicks people away from him so positioning is key. Do you want to kick Sion away from your team and into his own, or do you want to sneak in behind Varus and kick him into the waiting arms of your allies?
Taliyah has her AoE Seismic Shove ability. Does she: Use it to forcibly disengage the incoming WW, try to pull someone closer to herself, or toss them sideways into the bush where her jungler is waiting? Three different outcomes all from one single skill.
And then we have Brand. All three of his basic abilities have an extra effect if the enemy is Ablaze. Do you want to maximize single target damage via Conflagration-Sear-Pillar, or would you prefer to farm a minion wave via using Sear-Conflagration-Pillar on the canon minion? Perhaps you'd prefer to go for a riskier long range pick instead by going Pillar-Sear-Conflagration against someone hanging back. Three skills that have very different results depending simply on the order in which they are used.
Meanwhile, Riven can...very slightly nudge someone in a direction depending on where she lands her final Q?
You don't play lee sin, IE you don't know how his kit works at all. Ward hopping is what he was balanced around. There are plenty of champions with similar mobility that don't require wards. Camille for example.
Lee NEEDED his ward hops to be viable. You actually don't know what you are talking about and should sit down.
u suck lol1 votesLOL Just returned to this thread in hopes of an actual lee sin player, or at least a player who understands his situation to comment. It's full blown evident that Done25 is unintelligible when it comes to mechanics and kits and I thank you for letting him know his place after his recent delusional post :D
Done251 votesI don't need to play Lee Sin to know that he's one of the only two champions left who can ward hop. Katarina had hers removed in an update and Braum was never even allowed to have it at all.
"If the ally is a champion, both they and Lee Sin are shielded for 2 seconds and Safeguard's cooldown is reduced by 50%."
See this bit right here? Riot had to put it it when ward hopping became too big of an issue for Lee Sin.
Besides, what would the game really lose from Lee not being able to ward hop anymore? Those "sick" Insec plays?
In exchange for removing such power Lee could:
Have his passive scale to 120% bonus attack speed. Thus giving him late game dps.
Sonic Strike is pretty much fine as it always has been. Not too much you could really do here.
Safeguard goes back to having a flat nine, or even seven second, CD so you can use it on minions again. Shield duration is doubled back from two seconds to four.
Tempest reveals invisible champions again.
Lee Sin's Dragon Kick no longer kills its target until after they land. Just like Sion's Roar of the Slayer.
But you'd prefer just keeping your ward hop?
u suck lol2 votesWhy are people saying no to non-damage compensation? He is already strong early game to mid game as he should be. The removal of trackers hindered his mobility,(not his damage!) even further which in my opinion should be compensated with a better option which offers greater mobility than before, or atleast more accessible. Dang you guys are non-productive:D
Done251 votes[{quoted}](name=Adrian Lee Sin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Vj4PmPPX,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-03-02T15:11:15.221+0000)
Why are people saying no to non-damage compensation? He is already strong early game to mid game as he should be. The removal of trackers hindered his mobility,(not his damage!) even further which in my opinion should be compensated with a better option which offers greater mobility than before, or atleast more accessible. Dang you guys are non-productive:D
Because he's too mobile. It doesn't matter how many times you manage to dodge his Q. He'll just ward hop to point blank range and completely negate the need to land his skill shit. Jax is the only other person who can still ward hop, and he gives up damage to do it.
u suck lol1 votesAh, it's you again! My dude, no offence but you're bronze 5 from the look of your opgg and you don't even play lee so I can deduce that you don't really understand the champ as other players who actually play lee sin as a one trick or main. And he is not 'too mobile' since that is what he does and excels as. He has no defensive mechanism and only offense, if you remove his mobility you remove lee sin and add another pure assassin, which is not optimal.
Done252 votes[{quoted}](name=Adrian Lee Sin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Vj4PmPPX,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2018-03-02T22:01:36.380+0000)
Ah, it's you again! My dude, no offence but you're bronze 5 from the look of your opgg and you don't even play lee so I can deduce that you don't really understand the champ as other players who actually play lee sin as a one trick or main. And he is not 'too mobile' since that is what he does and excels as. He has no defensive mechanism and only offense, if you remove his mobility you remove lee sin and add another pure assassin, which is not optimal.
You obviously didn't look hard enough then. I regularly reach Gold every season. Currently at Silver II in Solo after placements and pulling up my Flex after a ungodly 1-9 streak during placements.
u suck lol1 votesIt still does not display a high game understanding nor does it credit the uneducated assumption regarding lee's kit. Please see the lee sin reddit and you will understand that my feelings are unanimous. It just really triggers me that people who does not even play lee sin affect studies such as these for the worst. Give lee sin players what they want and avoid tarnishing these questions.
Done251 votesPlat is just a shiner Silver. You're not really worth spit until you're #1 Challenjur. :)
u suck lol1 votesMy argument is still valid. You do not play lee sin, and you're nowhere close to adequate level. Thus, you do not know what you're talking about.
But whatever man, you obviously won't open them eyes. Guess your inability to see from different sides corresponds to your low elo :) (just a banter)
Cäden2 votesMaybe giving lee sin an item similar to viktor, like an item that gives a little hp and ad and gives 1 or 2 charges that he can dash to but won't give him vision, perhaps making it so it starts out with no posts and when you upgrade it it gives you 1 and end game you can upgrade it to have 2. Or possible give his e a change since it seems like the least effective skill in his kit, I've been playing lee for a long time now and have about 400k on him and when the runes came out it seemed like lee was already declining in potential and since this happened it kinda ruined him, maybe adding something that gives charges of wards or give him a passive that lets his wards have a low cd
Kei1431 votestry to get a relic shield, upgrade to targons and proc those while you gank.
It'll turn back on around 10 mins or so.
With the blue smite, you can land your Q much easier (or just close the distance to E / R) or with red smite, you can be even tankier when ganking.
