Get rid of Duskblade

Papaßard·Apr 11, 2016·7 votes·883 views

Duskblade of Draktharr is a bad item it creates 0 counter play for champions like talon when you are the adc. This is the same exact reason you guys got rid of dfg it makes the game not fun when playing against it.

15 Comments

Sniper 0Apr 11, 20162 votes

Both had counter play technically but the item is still very toxic in my opinion. They could bring dfg back.... [slayer-jinx-wink]

EcchiOtakuTMMay 10, 20161 votes

DFG has no counterplay it's immediate damage done(Max HP) + a damage amp on a controlled CD since it's an activatable.

Thurst28May 10, 20162 votes

Someone please tell me how you counter play this. Being super tanky is not an answer.

Doctor JarvisMay 10, 20161 votes

Kill them first. Bait an auto, deny the all-in (CC, escape, etc.) THE THING HAS A TWO MINUTE SEMI-CONTROLLABLE COOLDOWN. Tank stats (anyone can build a single armor and/or health item) Kite. If you're the kind of champion that will die instantly to a Duskblade, stand in back.

Thurst28May 10, 20162 votes

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Kill them first. Bait an auto, deny the all-in (CC, escape, etc.) THE THING HAS A TWO MINUTE SEMI-CONTROLLABLE COOLDOWN. Tank stats (anyone can build a single armor and/or health item) Kite. If you're the kind of champion that will die instantly to a Duskblade, stand in back.

Cute. My issues:

Kill them first. How many champs do I need to kill first. The Assassin, the ADC, the Mage... You can't focus and kill them all first.
Bait an auto. If an assassin like like Zed or Talon auto attacks you they are close enough to all in you.
Tank item. Of course, but if you do this you lose AP or AD stats unless you just get more health with AP/AD which is pretty normal and not enough.
Kite. Your really gonna kite an assassin? Not unless the are super hungry and not to bright.

LuggMay 10, 20162 votes

Love the down votes you are getting from the freelo assassin mains. Especially since Riot got rid of the main counter item ADC's had against them.

JustMonika13Apr 11, 20161 votes

Except champions like Talon and Zed have "dealing with ADCs" as their job description; they eliminate a squishy then either retreat or look for another pick off.

Sniper 0Apr 12, 20162 votes

Really doesn't explain how adding ulti level damage to an item is healthy for the game...

EcchiOtakuTMMay 10, 20161 votes

Ulti level damage? It barely does damage unless you're under 15% HP and then anything would have killed you anyways. Not to mention it's CD is 2min it's nothing to write home about.

Thurst28May 10, 20162 votes

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Ulti level damage? It barely does damage unless you're under 5-10% HP and then anything would have killed you anyways. Not to mention it's CD is 2min it's nothing to write home about.

Almost every champ has 1800+ Base health at 18. Not counting health from items. So lets say on average at you will have at least 2000 Health even as a squish mid laner. Now say you are at 50% health. That's 1000 missing health. 25% of 1000 is..... wait for it...... 250. Boost that to 1500 missing you get 375. Now add the 90 base from the item. Now say you are at full health and you get all in'd. Your going to take any where from 1000-1500 damage in that 2 sec window from a Zed or Talon (unless they are way behind, way way behind). So this Item will add, easily 300-500 dmg to your burst. Even if you manage to walk away from it with 100 HP you are out of the fight unless you can life steal some minions real fast. 300-500 extra DMG is like an extra small ult with a long CD. By the time you get into another team fight where you need to sneak to the back and kill the carry it will be off CD.

Sniper 0May 10, 20161 votes

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Shadow WalkMay 10, 20161 votes

Implying Talon needs duskblade to have 0 counterplay in killing the ADC.

Thurst28May 10, 20162 votes

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Implying Talon needs duskblade to have 0 counterplay in killing the ADC.

This is true. But why does he now get counter play to the tanks. Isn't that the point of the tank. Do assassin really need to be able to kill everyone. Is picking off one squish not enough you need to be able to kill every player on the other team 1v1 in a single burst or even 2v1. Not sure where the balance is in that.

Shadow WalkMay 10, 20161 votes

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This is true. But why does he now get counter play to the tanks. Isn't that the point of the tank. Do assassin really need to be able to kill everyone. Is picking off one squish not enough you need to be able to kill every player on the other team 1v1 in a single burst or even 2v1. Not sure where the balance is in that.

I mean tbh, if Talon is using his burst combo on a tank that's of large benefit to your team since you can probably take him out. Besides Lord Dominios Pizza and Black Clever give you far more damage to tanks than Duskblade ever would.

Thurst28May 10, 20161 votes

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I mean tbh, if Talon is using his burst combo on a tank that's of large benefit to your team since you can probably take him out. Besides Lord Dominios Pizza and Black Clever give you far more damage to tanks than Duskblade ever would.

OMG don't even get me started on Lord Dominions Pizza that item is broke as fuck. If you don't think so grab a pen and pad and do the math compared to the old last whisper build.

While you way, and probably, be right the point still stand I don't want to crunch the numbers... The point still stands. Adding DoD to an assassins kit will all but guarantee a kill when you get the chance to one shot the. Plus more Armor pen like we need more of that in this game. I feel like Riot is just trying to force the meta to be tank-less with just a bunch of assassins running around nuking people forcing fights to be 4v5 or worse for the opponent.