Can someone explain why they are getting rid of DFG AND Ahri's Charm damage amplification?

Steve Spurrier·Jan 22, 2015·1 votes·461 views

I really enjoy playing Ahri and I understand that her kit is more about the mobility, but landing charm has always been so crucial to successfully trade. Now they take that away, and what are you supposed to do? Run out of mana in 4 minutes from trying to just poke with Q since Charm isn't really necessary anymore? It's still good CC, but if they're going to get rid of the damage amp, why are they removing DFG too?

I'm just trying to understand why these changes are being made. Thanks guys. Any tips for how new Ahri will be more successful are appreciated.

10 Comments

Drunk RummateJan 22, 20152 votes

They want her to be a mage instead of an assassin. I'm pretty upset myself, but it won't stop me from playing her.

I expect if they follow through with the changes then the idea will be to poke constantly with your Q and wait for an opportunity to go in hard. You use the movespeed on your Q to position for a charm + W. With the movespeed it will be a lot easier to land charms without using your ult which you can then save for chasing the target down or escaping afterwards.

Unfortunately I don't think she will have enough single target damage to kill anyone outright now. Not to say she can't get fed, it just won't be awfully scary to encounter her in the river anymore.

Steve SpurrierJan 22, 20151 votes

But the mage-assassin role is what made her so fun. -.- sigh. Why does Riot want her to be a mage? Ahri is Ahri because she is an AP mage-assassin. I like her because of that and now Riot is trying to force her into this perfect little archetype? High mobility in essential to the assassin role; she'll still have that but no way to execute. I respect Riot's work and a lot of what they do (I mean, this game is technically free, how awesome is that?). I guess I just want to know why lol. Without DFG, all the Syndra, Kat, Ahri, etc. mains are going to be displeased. Should they buff them a little as a consequence? I thought she was a good champ but I didn't she was OP and in need of a rework.

Do you know how much of a movement speed buff it is? And is DFG just unhealthy to game balance? I haven't found a good reason for that yet, but I also haven't looked a whole lot into it.

BroreliaJan 22, 20152 votes

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But the mage-assassin role is what made her so fun. -.- sigh. Why does Riot want her to be a mage? Ahri is Ahri because she is an AP mage-assassin. I like her because of that and now Riot is trying to force her into this perfect little archetype? High mobility in essential to the assassin role; she'll still have that but no way to execute. I respect Riot's work and a lot of what they do (I mean, this game is technically free, how awesome is that?). I guess I just want to know why lol. Without DFG, all the Syndra, Kat, Ahri, etc. mains are going to be displeased. Should they buff them a little as a consequence? I thought she was a good champ but I didn't she was OP and in need of a rework.

Do you know how much of a movement speed buff it is? And is DFG just unhealthy to game balance? I haven't found a good reason for that yet, but I also haven't looked a whole lot into it.

Ahri still has assassin aspects to her but they are trying to make people use her mage aspects more.

You can still fine a half health enemy carry E W Q And ult and likely get the kill on them.

You just can't likely do it to them if they are100% health.

Also her charm is still solid an has use like it did before it had the 20% damage increase.

Or have people forgotten that before everyone was like "OMG DFG AHRI IST DA BST" she was being played and still all around effective.

Steve SpurrierJan 22, 20151 votes

Thanks for the help. I've only been playing LoL for a year and a half now and not as often as some people, so I may not have been around for the pre-DFG Ahri. I'll miss being able to nuke people but the ability to make plays with her is still there. I just found out about all this so I was a little upset, but it makes sense now. Oh, and correction: POPSTAHRI IST DA BST :3

Drunk RummateJan 22, 20151 votes

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Do you know how much of a movement speed buff it is? And is DFG just unhealthy to game balance? I haven't found a good reason for that yet, but I also haven't looked a whole lot into it.

It's about 200 extra movement speed which quickly decays down to 100 as the orb returns to you

DFG is a problem because it made champions like Leblanc capable of assassinating you without actually using her W. It made veigar capable of 100-0 killing you without actually using his E or W. Etc. It basically made champions that were already powerful assassins less interactive than they were meant to be.

They said they were giving Ahri compensation for the loss of DFG, but it looks like they meant they were completely shifting her core identity instead. :[

I'm probably going to try out lich bane on her to see if I can't make assassinations work that way instead. I would hate to end up with another run of the mill Morello->Hat->Void->Zhonyas mage...

DJ SiamakJan 22, 20151 votes

You still win a trade if you land charm.

BroreliaJan 22, 20151 votes

Because they are buffing some of her other damage and ahri has healthy play styles that are not based around E > DFG > W > Q with her ult thrown in where ever and killing someone like that.

I actually agree with the changes and while not an ahri main I can see her still be worth playing given that she has some clearly defined strengths.

Steve SpurrierJan 22, 20151 votes

I guess I'll have to learn how to play her a little differently then. I also guess I've been pretty tunnel-visioned in how I play her. The usual rush DFG ult in E-DFG-W-Q-Ignite throw in further ults and AAs as necessary. I'm still confused as to why if DFG is going bye-bye then so is E's damage amp. She's always had a somewhat risky playstyle. Guess I'm just QQ-ing at this point.

BroreliaJan 22, 20151 votes

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I guess I'll have to learn how to play her a little differently then. I also guess I've been pretty tunnel-visioned in how I play her. The usual rush DFG ult in E-DFG-W-Q-Ignite throw in further ults and AAs as necessary. I'm still confused as to why if DFG is going bye-bye then so is E's damage amp. She's always had a somewhat risky playstyle. Guess I'm just QQ-ing at this point.

Well DFG was basically an item that said no counterplay allowed for AP assassins that were fed enough to kill an enemy even without DFG.