Of course they are fun. Winning is fun.
Making Yorick, Galio and Mundo OP will definitely make them "fun", just like Veigar has been made "fun".
Even my Kalista maining buddy, who used to claim Veigar was boring as hell, now plays him thanks to all the "fun" injected in his kit.
No, I am not saying unpopular champions are necessarily underpowered. I am just saying the "fun" excuse is BS.
IcyPepper71 votespfft, obviously pros only pick fun champions into Worlds because they're fun to play, and ban the unfun ones.
/s
Keevalroy10 votesThank you for the input Phreak, could you reiterate why Soraka and Janna mid were picked because they were...what word did you use again? "Bullshit?"
IcyPepper50 votesWell, when the fact came to light that Soraka tends to be the star of the show, it was only a matter of time.
As for Janna, she was likely picked for her breathtaking performance.
Kitten of Evil7 votesit was only a matter of time.
I knew you would do that...
Crys3s3 votesWell, when the fact came to light
You weren't the only one to shed light on that....
Tails Doll1 votesThanks for the laugh
PerishSoftly1 votesYou...fucking...punmancer.
Upvoted.
Vellich0r3 votessoraka mid and top was total bullshit way back when if you are referencing a reference to that. Mana less point and click silence nuke, sustained damage MR shredding slow field stars, ungodly self heal with armor bonus and missing health scaling, not to mention the best AoE fuck you in the game for an enemy team. She was tanky, dealt tons of damage, and still packed completely absurd utility. God I loved that bitch.
Keevalroy5 votesI wasn't being completely serious with that question, it just reminded me of this, where Phreak made a pathetic attempt to defend Lee, and fled when too many people were pointing out his contradictions.
Vellich0r2 votesman, i feel bad though, a rioter came and actually had a conversation and he was just absolutely picked apart. But who knows.
Keevalroy9 votesHe was picked apart because he was being a hypocrite and arguing with contradictions.
Vellich0r1 votesNever said otherwise, but at least he tried to talk.
Retillin4 votesWell that leaves the question then. Would you rather have a Rioter come lie to you, or not show up at all?
Vellich0r1 votesI don't think he was lying, I think he was trying to convince people so he didn't check his own facts much. To me it sounded like he was getting frustrated.
Retillin2 votesWell Phreak was getting frustrated because people were pointing out where he was wrong. And he wasn't getting the straight love he thought he would. Instead of accepting other points of view he just kept doubling down on the same thing, and people where pointing out his hypocrisy on those issues.
iamleburk2 votesThere was one game where CLG played what they considered to be the fun champions. I think it was Riven, Bard, Vayne etcetera. It was vs Pain, they lost, but they did it because they had no chance to advance at that point.
Azirious Mistake23 votesto be fair Veigar was fun long before G&B started crying about him.
Poop Jelly16 votesIt's all a game of mentality. Almost all people here can agree that winning is fun, why, because people don't wanna lose. Why don't people wanna lose, because they hate to assume to see winners gloat about themselves while others laugh at them for losing.
I've never felt like losing is unfun for the past 3 seasons, but only recently did I develop to sympathize on why LoL community reacts to winning or losing. I've had many fun while losing, because I _know _ from chat that both my team and enemy's team are cool people to play with and against. So my point is, fun is just how to interpret it. If you're not being a dick, or you're not facing dicks, you're likely to have more fun with any champion.
Sooko1 votesI agree, but the world is full of dicks :C
Ralanr1 votesYep, everyone is an asshole at some point.
But we can always be better. Especially when they aren't seeing anything beyond text.
Sooko2 votesIt all depends on the player, really.
I mean, sure, some guys can lose it and flip a table in one occasion, but most toxic players are toxic on a regular basis. (Disco Heat has regularly caught the same guy being toxic on stream, for example, not to mention chat restrictions are "earned" when a player is reported multiple times)
DemaciaClown2 votes
darapier177 votesunless you get stomped early game and feed for 10 minutes
Ariel the Cruel7 votesTrue... But stomping the other guy is also unfun.
There's nothing fun about a stomp. Doesn't matter which side I'm on.
Shinjusuke14 votes
Immune to actual objective balancing because of his "fun" level for years.
Penns5 votesYasuo is the most fun champ to play in the game if you know what I mean
Ninpire4 voteshow the hell is the "fun" excuse bs
in the end this is just a game and if i play a champion that i don't find fun at all just to win the game, well, that's retarded
the point of a game like this is to have fun and if you're not having fun what is the point of playing the game anyway???
if everybody played the game just to win then we'd be seeing the same champions over and over again in our games (which to an extent we do) to the point where everybody knows how to play the same champions
the whole reason that we see people playing different champions that aren't very good is because those people find them "fun".
for example, on these boards i see a lot of people claiming that lucian is bad right now, yet i continue to see quite a few people play lucian anyways?? why do you think that those people play champions that aren't even good right now in a game that they are playing for fun??
if a champion has more fun to use qualities then they are going to be popular. so overloaded champions are more popular due to the player being able to do more interesting things with them.
Gorgannan1 votesI actually think that people will avoid terrible champions because losing is unfun, but I don't think people believe strong champions are fun just because they can win.
Ariel the Cruel3 votesI actually think that people will avoid terrible champions because losing is unfun
I play Shen and Shyvana mid. I play Quinn. I played Urgod before the buffs. Sivir has always been my go-to ADC since S1. (Incidentally, I've always been Trash at ADC.)
I'm not People. (>_>)
HayRoss4 votesI have more fun playing the shitty champions, to be honest
It's truly outrageous
Ariel the Cruel3 votes 
bot lane.
A match made in hell.
HayRoss3 votesHell no. Taric goes top lane
Ariel the Cruel2 votesNormally: yes. Just like Mord normally goes mid.
I'm just pointing out they make a ridiculously oppressive team when together bot.
HayRoss2 votesOh shit. You said the O-word.
That angry Tumblr people are coming
Ariel the Cruel1 votesJokes aside. I actually have no idea what you're referencing. (>_>)
HayRoss3 votesOpressive is what I was trying to say. The school I go to is beyond the liberal, much like crazy Tumblr people who talk about feminism/oppression/trigger words. Much of my humor tends to reflect that
SEKAI4 votesOP and this thread just debunked the greatest misconception and lies about League of Legends.
I salute to this thread, thank you.
Extreme popularity only indicates broken kits, and not fun kits.
Screw the "I play fotm and meta only because they're fun" people.
charcharmunro3 votesI actually find Yasuo/Riven boring as all hell to play, even if I'm winning. The inverse for Jax, Mundo and Singed.
The Loveless3 votesRemember when this guy was the most popular jungler, and top five most played overall champion despite having a 44% win rate?
Also:
And I'm sure Amumu & Heimer are "fun" too despite low pick rates.
So that's why you should never speak in absolutes.
SEKAI2 votes[{quoted}](name=The Loveless,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VVpEMdmB,comment-id=001e,timestamp=2015-10-19T07:01:30.628+0000)
Remember when this guy was the most popular jungler, and top five most played overall champion despite having a 44% win rate?
Also:
Lee never got that low as far as I remember, 48% used to be the lowest for him until season 5 hit where it dropped a shiet ton because fotm cruisers suddenly lost their "fun" champ and didn't know what to do with him.
LB's 46% win rate was still picked a ton because she used to have 0 counterplay when you know what you're doing.
Neither of them are fun, they're just unfair. Unless that's the very definition of having fun.
DrCyanide3 votesI think that the bigger problem is what if the "fun" argument is right. It would mean that Riot has utterly and completely failed to make equally enjoyable champions, and that most of the roster needs a rework.
Right now, Thresh (most played support Plat+) is played more than twice as much as any of the other supports. Lee Sin (the most popular Jungler) is in nearly the same boat. The other positions don't have nearly as big of a gap between their most played and second most played champions, so either support and jungle are missing a lot of "fun" champions or Thresh and Lee Sin have some other attribute that other champions can't compete with.
TurquoiseYoshi2 votesIn ranked, it's a BS excuse. In normals, it makes sense. I'll play Olaf in normals because he's hilariously easy to play and will destroy an enemy team, no problem. Even if I lose a lot of my Olaf games, it's still worth it for those near 1v5 Pentakills.
YCitizenSnipsY2 votesSorry but thats not always true. Lee sin, Yasuo, and Gnar are really popular right now and neither of them have a positive winrate aka "helping you win."
Alpharite3 votesExactly. If you think picking those 3 champs is a free win, you're a fucking idiot.
Shinjusuke3 votesI can't tell if sarcasm, fanboyism, or just outright ignorance.
SEKAI3 votesSorry but thats not always true. Lee sin, Yasuo, and Gnar are really popular right now and neither of them have a positive winrate aka "helping you win."
HIgh pick rate tends to have lower win rate. That's basic statistics.
A case where both pick rates and win rates are high, it means the champ is simply broken.
Yosuke Apperu2 votesWait... Do you really think mundo is op? I'm confused. o.o
The Mighty Flea2 votesGalio is actually a very VERY strong pick. Your flash ult combo is by far the best flash ult in the game if used correctly. His shield is retardedly strong and ruins assassins and sustain damage champion, and a wave of minion can heal you too full health, and his poke is relatively underrated. A full mr page with some ap and magic pen starts you off at 50 magic resist and around 40 to 45 ap. He is incredibly gated by mana, but this is fixed with pots etc. He synergizes with chalice incredibly well, and has strong early game. I think Galio is extremely underrated and is not played because of the long standing joke that he sucks.
PiwahX1 votesSay what you will, but it is really satisfying to delete people with Veigar. He should totally be a tad nerfed still.
