who beats jax 1v1 late game

paperbIade··1 votes·10,164 views

besides trundle and olaf

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Only Play Darius4 votes

Nasus the dodge doesn't work on siphoning strike.

MasterYi if he waits out the countertsrike or Q's right when the stun pops, he WILL win that 1v1.

Rengar his lategame 1v1 is pretty ridiculous.

Poppy no explanation needed.

Sachabot2 votes

It's not really something you should be aiming to do. Irelia and Fiora, depending on how it plays out.

Pæan1 votes

IF Jax helicopters as fiora ultis then fiora ult will do zero damage as it is calculated as a series of AAs

Sachabot1 votes

Correct. That's why the matchup is about who plays it better. Still not something I would try.

BluePolarizer2 votes

Vayne item 3153item 3139 item 3072 item 3046 item 3035 item 3078

Can't stun her. Can't catch her. She has 450 AD, 32% lifesteal and 45% crit with 2200+300 HP while attacking at 2.0 attacks per second so you can't take free hits. You can't even build thornmail effectively since she has a MR item.

Can't do shit to her.

hh the thinker1 votes

nasus with enough stacks.

LilxPaprika1 votes

warwick? trynd? garen? i think ekko might be able to 1v1 him actually. he has enough kite and cc imo. depending on how much mr jax has. leblanc and kite him and burst. ryze?

a lot of champs can come withing 5% hp of killing him. and they might shine more with team fights . like vi, darius, irelia, reksai, cho? etc.

Dracid1 votes

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warwick? trynd? garen? i think ekko might be able to 1v1 him actually. he has enough kite and cc imo. depending on how much mr jax has. leblanc and kite him and burst. ryze?

a lot of champs can come withing 5% hp of killing him. and they might shine more with team fights . like vi, darius, irelia, reksai, cho? etc.

def not Warwick and garen. Im not sure why people think Warwick beats him. There was also a thread some weeks ago about this and two people actually tested it with 3 scenarios. Jax ult before, during and after warwick ult. Jax won each and everytime with relative ease. Both built for dueling.. Garen just wouldn't have the damage to kill a jax late game.

junglerboy161 votes

Well like you said, there's Trundle and Olaf, who are both solid and fun to play, Nasus can beat him with enough stacks, and Poppy can duel anyone late game. Other than that, someone like Malphite counters him because of the AS slow, but isn't particularly strong in a 1v1, Malzahar counters him because he can literally kill anyone (including tanks) within the duration of his ult (just be sure to not get stunned out of the channel), and Tryndamere can beat him for obvious reasons, just be wary if Jax has ignite or not.

Outside those, your best bet is usually to chain CC him and pick a hard core lane bully to shut him down long enough to win before he gets strong.

NemeBro1 votes

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besides trundle and olaf

A well-stacked Nasus.

Tryndamere IMHO, I find Jax to be fairly overrated late-game.

Master Yi possibly.

A Shen who specifically builds for it maybe (Wit's End, Sunfire, Thornmail, and Ninja Tabi required, though I also had a Warmog's). I've done it when we both had about 12k gold, but not tested it when we both had full build (in which case I would have also had a spirit visage).

3TWarrior1 votes

trundle beats jax? that's a new one...I thought it was, "where'd 50% of my health go" in 2 seconds while jax remains at 100%

jax does hybrid damage, so not only can you not itemize against him, he gets stronger the longer he duels (though it's a minimal amount)

but consider jax having 3-4k hp and trundle has 4. Trundle can hit for up to 200-300 at a time, jax will hit that same amount every time, in terms of pure hp, this looks to favor trundle, BUT, jax does large amounts of burst damage in his combo and can stun trundle, of course, after ignoring 2 auto attacks

jax wins even with the 35 AD lost, even with the (what is it, 50 from his tank stats?) trundle might even have 200-250 in each stat after the ult, but trundle doesn't usually build enough life steal to keep up with jax, especially if jax builds both gunblade and BoTRK. gunblade gets its active back after auto attacking enough times, botrk chunks 10% of your max hp. if jax also has icebourne gauntlet for tankiness, his damage will just outdo trundle's tankiness while he retains almost full health

BluePolarizer1 votes

Hybrid damage is a double edged sword in super late game fights.

You can't be itemized against early, but you also can't effectively itemize penetration.

3TWarrior1 votes

I think aatrox can beat jax late game because of his additional healing, passive and ult

garen might be able to because he can silence jax's combo, but jax can also E to knock off a lot of garen's burst damage

itelia probably can

I think master yi can because of his Q and heal with bonus ad and true damage

pantheon can negate two of jax's autos and do a lot of burst damage, but it's mostly even

if udyr is built life steal/attack speed/damage, he can, but udyr top is rare and udyr are pretty rare as well

Yasuo can beat him(every stage of the game I think)

DarthSpectrum2 votes

Have you actually played against a Jax before?

Aatrox is literally going to die to Jax before he can get more than 2 procs of his heal off. Irelia, Pantheon, and Udyr can beat Jax before 6 or 11, but after that, they don't stand a chance.

Garen can dominate Jax until Jax hits around 16 and finishes his Trinity, BotRK, and some tank items.

Yasuo is countered by Jax starting from level 1 unless he gets obscenely fed.

Remember, Jax's E negates AA damage for its duration and stuns for 1 second more. Jax has an AS steroid that close to double his AS, an short CD AA enhancer, passive magic damage every 3 AAs, and a resistance boost that scales with his offensive stats.

3TWarrior1 votes

I play against him now and again, but usually i'm someone who can kite him easily. jax's damage is high

but here's the real question, 1v1, why would you intentionally play against a jax? XD

some of the mage characters might be able to go against him because they don't rely on autos, but this is a bad hypothetical situation

Too Ton1 votes

Vayne won't let jax get close

Ðelicious1 votes

Ap champions that can kite him

Wukong and Yi if he has no braincells

tristana and Vayne

Probably kogmaw and Corki if they dont get stunned

Trídent1 votes

Nasus

Baunjo1 votes

Master yi does well if you alpha the stun from jax's E.

Xonra1 votes

Why would you need to beat him 1v1? That is sort of his thing. Similar to Darius. You aren't supposed to be randomly fighting Jax 1v1.

Why would you be trying to?

DrNova1 votes

because it is going to come up once in a while.

And its just a discussion. Chill out

BakedLotion1 votes

Cassiopeia (perfect kiting with rylais) or Malzahar

DarthSpectrum1 votes

Nasus, Singed, Ryze, Shyvana, and Vayne can win 1 v 1s against Jax late game. I've played hundreds of games as Jax, and these are the champions that even remotely stands a chance against him late game.

A lot of the recommendations below only works on Jax before he completes his core items. If you want to duel him late game, stick to the 5 I mentioned besides Olaf and Trundle.

Nasus is a natural counter to Jax because his Q goes through counter strike. Nasus wins in all ins and in trades in lane due to his passive sustain. It is the only champion I can guarantee to beat Jax throughout the game.

Singed works on Jax because Jax will never catch up. Between Insanity potion and his root, Jax can't lock down Singed long enough to kill him. Although, Jax can freely walk away from the "duel."

Shyvana's passive resistance matches that of Jax's. By having both passive armor and MR, Shyvana stands a much better chance of winning against Jax since he does hybrid damage. In addition, she can dish out enough DPS in dragon form to force Jax to back off. However, like Singed, Jax can stun you and walk away if he feels that the fight isn't in his favor.

Ryze just flat out counters Jax. Root him whenever he tries to engage, and root him some more. Jax won't get close.

Vayne beats Jax the same way Ryze does. Just ult and Q immediately Jax puts up his E. Wait out the duration, then reengage.

Yi and Tryndamere are actually terrible options to go up against Jax. Against Tryndamere, Jax can simply walk up to him with E up, trade, and Q out. The first fight will force Tryndamere to pop his ult. In the reengage, Jax will kill Tryndamere. Against Yi, Jax can collapse his E early to trap Yi. In terms of overall damage, Jax's DPS output can actually rival Yi's due to the huge amount of steroids he has.

Of course, you don't necessary have to beat Jax late game. Some options such as Pantheon, Garen, or Riven can easily prevent him from getting there.

BluePolarizer1 votes

Jax's DPS can't rival Yi's when both are 6 slotted because Yi doesn't care about resistances while Jax has the opposite problem of being unable to itemize penetration and not having enough physical damage to make lifesteal scary.

item 3153 item 3072 item 3139 item 3143item 3071 item 3172 on Yi wrecks Jax.

MLDzXnRRR1 votes

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Jax's DPS can't rival Yi's when both are 6 slotted because Yi doesn't care about resistances while Jax has the opposite problem of being unable to itemize penetration and not having enough physical damage to make lifesteal scary.

item 3153 item 3072 item 3139 item 3143item 3071 item 3172 on Yi wrecks Jax.

Yi is good because his Q can crit and you take at least half the enemy hp with it. Jax doesn't really care about Yi's Q and autos when he is in helicopter mode. Actually Fiora is the best 1v1 AD glass cannon (she has better burst than Yi and better steroids for sustained dmg than him), but she still dies to Jax who can helicopter in time.

BluePolarizer1 votes

I have 300+ games of Yi in platinum level ranked over 2 seasons. I know exactly what Yi can do and what he can't do. His Q late game is almost exclusively used for its utility, not for its damage; the bulk of his damage is in his 2.5 attack speed autos and 90+ true damage on hit.

who says you can't just walk away from Jax when he helicopters lol? Why are you facetanking Jax when you can't do anything to him? Fiora can't do shit to Jax because he builds armor and its GG while he can cancel her ult with E, and most importantly, Fiora can't simply walk away from Jax while Yi can. Fiora's sustained damage is far inferior to Yi's 100% AS boost over 10 seconds, double hit better than Lucian's and true damage.

MLDzXnRRR1 votes

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I have 300+ games of Yi in platinum level ranked over 2 seasons. I know exactly what Yi can do and what he can't do. His Q late game is almost exclusively used for its utility, not for its damage; the bulk of his damage is in his 2.5 attack speed autos and 90+ true damage on hit.

who says you can't just walk away from Jax when he helicopters lol? Why are you facetanking Jax when you can't do anything to him? Fiora can't do shit to Jax because he builds armor and its GG while he can cancel her ult with E, and most importantly, Fiora can't simply walk away from Jax while Yi can. Fiora's sustained damage is far inferior to Yi's 100% AS boost over 10 seconds, double hit better than Lucian's and true damage.

You have over 300 games with , right, but he gets bonus 80% AS, while Fiora gets 120 %... And this thing about utility of the Q is bullshit - he is viable only because of his Q resets, you wipe whole teams with it, being untargetable (similar to Katarina in playstyle), not with autoattacking 1 by 1. People in the game don't have 10 k hp to DPS them, you just press Q and auto 1 or 2 times max and someone is dead, then press Q again and repeat.

BluePolarizer1 votes

Fiora's attack speed boost lasts 3 seconds. Yi's lasts for 10s. Fiora's is affected by attack speed slows. Yi's is not. Yi also has his passive which is a flat 20% DPS boost for on hits and 10% DPS boost for autos. Fiora has no way to get around armor.

And yes, the strong UTILITY of his Q is what makes him good.

Seriously, you have 1 ranked game with Yi and lost 3-10 or something. Why are you trying to argue this with a 300+ game high plat Yi main?

MLDzXnRRR1 votes

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Fiora's attack speed boost lasts 3 seconds. Yi's lasts for 10s. Fiora's is affected by attack speed slows. Yi's is not. Yi also has his passive which is a flat 20% DPS boost for on hits and 10% DPS boost for autos. Fiora has no way to get around armor.

And yes, the strong UTILITY of his Q is what makes him good.

Seriously, you have 1 ranked game with Yi and lost 3-10 or something. Why are you trying to argue this with a 300+ game high plat Yi main?

???? Fiora can refresh her burst of speed with kills and assists... O almighty "high plat" player, with the amount of ranked games you have played, you should be at least Diamond 2 or something, you just grind, I don't see how you are any good.

BluePolarizer1 votes

????? so can Yi...? And we're talking about 1v1 here so why do kills and assists even matter?

lol yeah I grind, sure, while you have 1300+ normal wins alone, not counting losses (I have something like 180 or so). I don't play normals whatsoever, because I don't care about my rank. I play ranked for fun.

MLDzXnRRR1 votes

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????? so can Yi...? And we're talking about 1v1 here so why do kills and assists even matter?

lol yeah I grind, sure, while you have 1300+ normal wins alone, not counting losses (I have something like 180 or so). I don't play normals whatsoever, because I don't care about my rank. I play ranked for fun.

Since when are people playing ranked for fun, I thought that only the tryhards are playing it; you know them, people who spam pretty much 1 or 2 champions and then say:" I'm a xxx main, u scrub don't know anything about my thing summoner 31 . I'm high elo, u bronze nob, I deserve challenjour "

BluePolarizer1 votes

I didn't say you are bad, I said you know nothing about Yi and what Yi can do and what he can't do, relevant in the discussion of whether Yi can 1v1 Jax or Fiora. You don't know because you've never experienced it in ranked (since you only played Yi once in ranked) while I have experienced it multiple times.

It is obvious that the person who has 300+ games of Yi played in plat over 2 years has more experience and knowledge concerning what Master Yi can do, can't do, how to best play him, how he's built, mechanical tricks that can turn losing matchups into winning matchups, etc. than the person who played him once and fed in that 1 game. If it is not obvious, then what you are basically saying is: I am so good, I am so close to challenger players, that I don't need experience. I am so naturally good that their experience and number crunching is just as much as my pure opinion alone. That is the height of arrogance.

MLDzXnRRR1 votes

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I didn't say you are bad, I said you know nothing about Yi and what Yi can do and what he can't do, relevant in the discussion of whether Yi can 1v1 Jax or Fiora. You don't know because you've never experienced it in ranked (since you only played Yi once in ranked) while I have experienced it multiple times.

It is obvious that the person who has 300+ games of Yi played in plat over 2 years has more experience and knowledge concerning what Master Yi can do, can't do, how to best play him, how he's built, mechanical tricks that can turn losing matchups into winning matchups, etc. than the person who played him once and fed in that 1 game. If it is not obvious, then what you are basically saying is: I am so good, I am so close to challenger players, that I don't need experience. I am so naturally good that their experience and number crunching is just as much as my pure opinion alone. That is the height of arrogance.

Sorry, but everything you are saying is just your opinion, not any scientific truth. I may have played 1 ranked game this season with him, but this doesn't mean that I've never played Yi last season or in normals... You are saying bullshit like : I'm platinum Yi main, I know everything, you don't know anything; then - I play just for fun ranked???? Bow to our master plat Yi.

BluePolarizer1 votes

Aight. So you are basically saying that you are a challenger stuck in plat 5 after a very interesting 22 win streak on Kayle, because you are so good, you don't even need experience. Me saying that the bulk of Yi's damage comes from autoattacks is not an opinion lol. It is pretty much fact given Q's cooldowns.

MLDzXnRRR1 votes

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Aight. So you are basically saying that you are a challenger stuck in plat 5 after a very interesting 22 win streak on Kayle, because you are so good, you don't even need experience. Me saying that the bulk of Yi's damage comes from autoattacks is not an opinion lol. It is pretty much fact given Q's cooldowns.

Maybe you are describing yourself with this, I don't even play much ranked (you have hundreds of games total with different champions this season in ranked, so you are the one stuck in platinum) - I don't have the nerves for the toxicity and trolling + + losing because of the "attempting to reconnect bug" is hilarious

KrazyIvanUSA1 votes

I like to get attack speed and life steal with Yorick. He tends to kick Jax's ass that way. Also, Twitch top is good vs Jax, imho. Can stay away from his stupid staff with ranged.

NemeBro1 votes

Singed can beat anyone in a duel, simply because there's no champ in the game I know of that can chase down Singed and kill him before dying.

Don't chase Singed.

Kouga1 votes

Sadly with the amount of mobility creep that's not nearly as true as it used to be. I played a Singed game today with Agility-enhanced Boots of Swiftness and still got permaslowed and kited to death.

3TWarrior1 votes

here's an interesting turn, Yorick. with 15% damage reduction and additional damage, he might be able to pull it off, but I don't want to bother with testing this

Mob Psycho 1001 votes

Gnar with item 3089 item 3285 item 3135 item 3157 item 3115 item 3100

At least I think so. Mini Gnar W proc.

MLDzXnRRR1 votes

Ap Jax with Lichbane can't be 1v1ed, but is not so great in teamfights + weaker early game.

paperbIade1 votes

bump

paperbIade1 votes

bump

Reikken1 votes

a lot of mages

stealthfox941 votes

Poppy in some cases Fizz If he's fed and building AP he can one shot him Nasus Assuming he's maxed his Q farming Jayce Needs some good poke in disengage for this to work, but it's very much possible MasterYi Needs to bait his stun.

femmé1 votes

vayne draven if you're good enough maybe cass.....just thinking off the top of my head what champs might be able 1v1 him late game but are not known for it...well except vayne, fuck vayne.

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