Hey, so today I have been wrecking in all my ranked games today, but I had to play against a shyvanna as hecarim and got completely creamed, I tried my best to counter gank her, counter jungle. Did everything I possibly could but new shyvanna is just too damn op.
Any ideas on how to have some counterplay to this champion or at least any builds or masteries I could have used in this matchup to better myself in this game?
Well, I know the Shyvana matchup vs hecarim. I don't know the Hecarim side so much as I know the Shyvana side. I use tankier runes and masteries than this Shyvana did. I tend to build tankier as well. I also go for Tracker's Knife as well. You going e first on Hecarim could be a mistake right off the bat... q seems better to me with the short cooldown for clear speed, but again, I don't Hecarim very often so I could be mistaken on that.
Shyvana didn't change much. Just some tweaks to her passive and e as well as dragon form, while in dragon form. She mostly does the same as before just prioritizes dragon more. Looks like to me.... as soon as you guys cleared half jungle you both went mid at level 3. Guessing you went first she happened to show. Shyvana will typically, on intial clears if you show up first, she will either be there already, or nearby to pounce. If she isn't nearby like say you are ganking top at three on the red side jungle, she will clear your blue side, gank bot or mid or just straight farm it out.
So, if your gank is successful you might want to clear her blue side up to 2 camps be careful though she may just straight clear her side jungle, then meet you at your jungle, or just pick up your red side jungle respawns and drop a ward..... the third camp she will show and a laner may show. You can as a general rule flip this if you blue side and gank bot. She will clear your jungle if you gank at three..... so if you fail.... she will get ahead. If you are successful, but, leave her jungle alone at least drop a ward in her jungle, so you can keep tabs on her on her blue side.
Don't know whether you are Bronze, Silver or what not which would be helpful. Generally against Shyvana, YOU DO NOT want to do anything but farm your entire jungle first clear, then do your ganks. You want to scout out every entry point to your jungle. I do this all the time, I catch an area no one is at, and start counterjungling your side right away. If my team is at least somewhat competent, they will check basic entry points for an invade.
By scouting out, or your team not scouting out, you can almost safely assume if no one showed in an area, it will be gone by the time you get there. You can use this to split jungle, essentially you start blue. if, I am not taking a rift scuttler at three chances are I am straight farming jungle and started your red if no one showed. Thus you can clear my red side. But, if camps are missing on my red side..... better go do your red side. By doing a full clear right away though, with proper scouting, makes it far more difficult for a Shyvana to gain the counterjungle advantage, it makes her really work at it, trying to track you down to keep my laners safe- ish. I cant stress this enough, if you come out for a three gank..... Shyvana's are known to punish this by taking your jungle or isolating you to only one side of the jungle, you have to make her work for it.
Once Shyvana gets ahead she stays that way. If she is able to start splittling in a 3-1-1 well, chances are you lost, she will have way to much farm to deal with, be 3-4 levels above your team, tanky as hell and will be more than happy to three v one your team by herself.
