If we nerf Talon's Ult Cooldown...
... can we please nerf Lux' Ult Cooldown too? Thanks.
61 Comments
Spaceman5pff39 votesBecause Lux ult gives stealth and movement speed http://res.cloudinary.com/urbandictionary/image/upload/a_exif,c_fit,h_200,w_200/v1395991705/gjn81wvxqsq6yzcwubok.png
Khâmul5 votesbecause talon has an insane range that allows him to kill people without seeing them.
LSmaster161 votesGet storm raiders surge for the speed and you already have stealth vs most champions. They can't see you when they're dead. (Usually) (Insert above image here)
Troll for Trump1 votesLux has more range and damage.
Yes , it's a kappa but still. For people who actually think that.
Frius1 votesbecause lux ult is close to global and 30 s cd ,and very safe FKEN TROLL
Spaceman5pff3 votesIt isn't even 1/4 the map ROFL
Frius1 votes3300 range? pretty low ,yeh make it 33.000 to equal 10 maps
FrontlinerDelta1 votesBro, don't you know that an AD assassin is the same thing as an immobile mage?
Spaceman5pff1 votesRight? Like if zed can blink all over everywhere, why shouldnt syndra!
MohawkBird1 votesBecause Talon's goes from inhib tower to outer mid tower.
Spaceman5pff1 votesBecause Lux is a gapclosing AD assassin with stealth https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/668131883134394369/3GOgWHYD.png
MohawkBird1 votesBecause Talon comes loaded with range, CC, and utility.
24K Dama10 votesShould nerf zed before talon. Zed is way stronger than talon in high elo.
Jayrett7 voteshonestly, they just need to make him an ad mage or an ad assassin. rn, he's mage early and assassin late. That's not really all that healthy.
P0oHiHOhLh3 votesyou have no idea what your talking about.
Jayrett5 votesso it's healthy to have someone who has the safety of a mobile mage, waveclear of a mage, and the burst of an assassin?
Papa Slothy4 votesZed is weaker in higher elo....
BruisingEmu1 votesMy issue with Talon isn't power level. I just think his kit is toxic.
He has an extremely fast full kit rotation (even for an assassin) that's functionally instant. With the ability to just stealth his way right to his target.
You can make a case for balance, I won't argue too much. But his kit is irritating and unfun to deal with. At least with Zed you see his shadows close in and can peg him with some CC. But Talon often just comes out of nowhere and kills you in the frame it takes to do 1 auto. (Not saying Talon worse than Zed. But I think his interactions are much more toxic)
EcchiOtakuTM1 votesZed is weaker....... Talon is literally the best assassin
YCitizenSnipsY1 votesZed's ult is on a higher cool down than Talons even after the nerf.
alfavhunter6 votesHow to nerf lux ult and buff it at same time
R CD increased by 100%
If lux ult hits a champion already effected by her passive the CD is reduced by 50% (putting it at live values)
This means if she uses it to snipe from afar it has a longer CD, but if she uses it in closer range where she lands One of her other abilities first it gets a much lower CD, this balances it vs long range snipes but keeps its power in closer range fights
HatanYatesSou2 votesI think sniping shouldn't be discouraged. On the contrary, it should be encouraged! It should restore her to her pre-nerf cool down values if Lux can hit at least 3 or more enemy champions at a time. I think Lux should be able to get big cd restoration if she hits 3 champions, and then some extra [very minor] cd if she hits 4+ enemy champions. Example: Lux gets 50/75/90/95/100% of her pre-nerf cdr [if she damages (1/2/3/4/5) enemy champions with her beam].
Hollow Miracles1 votesCan you imagine a fed Lux in a teamfight who knows how to aim that thing really well though? She could potentially get 2 or three ults off (if she can hit the entire enemy team and get 100% cd) and that would be a nightmare.
HatanYatesSou1 votesMy bad. I see how you guys interpreted my post. What I meant by 100% cdr is "back to normal" and not an actual reset. So for example, let's say her current cdr's are 60/40/20, and Riot nerfs them to 120/80/40. If Lux meets the "n-champs-hit" requirement of 3 champions, then she can get back the old 60/40/20 second cd ratios she used to have as reward for landing her R on 3+ enemy champions. Do I make more sense now? I apologize for my poor wording that led to this misunderstanding. Also, edited my original post to reflect what I actually meant.
alfavhunter1 votesThis is an alternat option however 100% CDR is to much "potential" even if it's rare
A 30/50/60/65/70 is more reasonable
Spaceman5pff2 votesMaybe popping her passive with autos lowers the cd of her ult by 2 seconds or something, maybe a bit more vs champions than minions idk
Modl Ryden l4 votesI don't care about Lux's ult CD. Her Snare is WAY too long of a duration at rank 1! They need to reduce it to .75 and scale up to 2.00.
EcchiOtakuTM1 votes.75 is too low for rank 1.
Lux only needs a rank 1-4 Q snare nerfed to 1/1.25/1.5/1.75/2 and E's slow nerfed to 22/24/26/28/30%. Hurts her utility without gutting her and everyone's happy.
Chuck Charles3 votesI am not sure if Lux ultimate nerf is the way to nerf her. I main Lux and she defiitely needs to be toned down. (pretty overtuned, but not "broken") right now.
Ult cooldown nerf would definitely give her a window of weakness though thats for sure, but honestly I don't think it will make her lane phase any less oppressive or her general safety any worse. i still stand by the idea that they should swap the cooldowns on E and Q. If E is 15 seconds scaling to 11 at max rank and Q is a flat 10 seconds at all ranks, it makes her weaker in lane early while her cooldown on E is up slightly less at max Rank. Her Q having a shorter cooldown gives her more opportunities to get picks later in the game while not buffing her early game to compensate as you will not be throwing this out on cooldown unless you want jungler up in your face constantly. (if you throw this out for harass you are going to have a bad time)
Q is also a much harder ability to hit than the E.
The only fear I have with it though is if that does happen or something similar to the E, then her waveclear which is already bad, becomes even worse. without Luden's and time to proc your passive on minions, her wave clear is not good or instant on the likes of Ziggs/Morg/Viktor etc. Which is ok I guess. But if you make that even weaker she might just get shoved in constantly. Not necessarily a bad thing, but I don't know if thats an intended weakness of Lux.
Alternatively, you could actually just flat out nerf the cooldown of Q as she has a bigger window to being vulnerable if she misses. If Lux misses Q she has about a 11-15 second window where you can run at her or gank her. Extend that and her pick potential/vulnerability go up which would further emphasize her main weakness of being dove.
Evewynn1 votesUlt cool down is the only frustrating thing when playing against her, and an ultimate should never have a low enough cool down to where you use it to clear the minion wave before going back to base while also having such a big impact in actual fights.
UrPalAl2 votesYour missing the point. She doesn't need compensation buddy, she needs a nerf, and currently the most annoying part about her is her ability to 100-0 the second she hits 6.
Acidic Puddle2 votesWell Talon was broken (Meddler even said so) so they nerfed him. Lux on the other hand is in a good spot.
Mazohist3 votesyea i agree,54,5% winrate is a REAL good spot.
EcchiOtakuTM2 votesLux only needs a rank 1-4 Q snare nerfed to 1/1.25/1.5/1.75/2 and E's slow nerfed to 22/24/26/28/30%. Hurts her utility without gutting her and everyone's happy.
Her ulti is fine.
HoukagoFapTime2 votesSo we should also nerf Syndra's ult since it's back up every 40-50 seconds as soon as she gets some CDR? That's a point and click nuke that procs Thunderlord too.
Sahn Uzal1 votesHSSS... You are gonna get the Talon nerfs reverted.
We gotta be happy with what we got.
-_-
Meddler said Lux will get nerfed soon :P
QueenAqua1 votesSaid they were thinking about it. it's not set in stone. They could just tweek her in general without nerfing.Ignore it til it's confirmed to be a definite thing.
UrPalAl1 votesAs long as it leads to a less toxic playstyle, I'll be happy.
FrontlinerDelta2 votesShe has had this playstyle forever. Nobody bitched until she rose in power due to the meta changing and nerfs to other champs. So don't pull that crap.
She probably does need some small nerfs. Nothing about an immobile mage with 4 skillshots is toxic.
Saeko241 votesShe has had this playstyle forever. Nobody bitched until she rose in power due to the meta changing and nerfs to other champs. So don't pull that crap.
She probably does need some small nerfs. Nothing about an immobile mage with 4 skillshots is toxic.
Probably because they buffed er passive a while ago and later they buffed her q and her e. I probably wouldn't be annoyed if she couldn't let her e explode instant but I guess that would make her bad again(?) so they have to change something else.
UrPalAl1 votesI want Lux deleted more than any other champ in the game.
That's saying a lot.
If she lands a q on you, just one q, then you're dead.
macromite2 votesson, let me tell you something.
did you understand that?
good, now you can beat lux in lane easy.
UrPalAl3 votes- She can delete me as soon as she hits 6 in lane, which is before I can even buy hexdrinker.
- What if I'm fucking AP, then what?
The point is that it's pretty stupid that you can be winning lane, and then you get hit with 1 Q, and you die. It's all she needs to land, is that 1 Q.
I think they should make her Q way harder to land, like Bard, where it feels like deserved to be hit by it.
HoukagoFapTime1 votes
- She can delete me as soon as she hits 6 in lane, which is before I can even buy hexdrinker.
- What if I'm fucking AP, then what?
The point is that it's pretty stupid that you can be winning lane, and then you get hit with 1 Q, and you die. It's all she needs to land, is that 1 Q.
I think they should make her Q way harder to land, like Bard, where it feels like deserved to be hit by it.
Blitz has too land one grab to get a kill. In late game that can become a victory if it becomes a 4 v 5. But no one complains about him. Or Thresh.
UrPalAl2 votesNot gonna say I don't hate those two, but they do require a team mate to kill. Lux 100-0s you all by herself.
Magus Polaris1 votesAnd then there are champions who don't even have skillshots who can do the same thing.
UrPalAl1 votesWith HER range? Name 1. Because if you're thinking of Ryze or Annie or something, both are short range.
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