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HONESTLY FEEL LIKE SOME PLAYERS GIVE UP WAY TOO FAST

WheresMyPugua··90 votes·4,693 views

Legit i feel like they have so much pride that if they die at least twice before 20min mark they will afk, int or cry about every little thing that the others "COULD" of done.

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ImTheSideKick54 votes

if the game is 25 to 4 and enemy is in your base by 20 mins, yeah its time to give up

if a extremely high win rate champion is 8/0 by 20 mins it "maybe" time to give up

if you are 0/2 but the team is up in kills and towers and dragons its not time to give up, its time for you to start playing more and complaining less

tl;dr. its one thing if whole team is far behind, another if you are salty because you played bad and blame others

Shadowmender33 votes

What's more frustrating is when someone plays a hyper late game carry, and then wants to spam surrender because he lost his lane.[zombie-brand-mindblown]

Xonra4 votes

"I picked Vayne IN to Cait and lost lane, so let's just ff at 15"

cries in the corner

Leetri4 votes

From personal experience, most of the time you end up with "25 to 4 and enemy in your base by 20 mins" games because players give up after dying once or twice. If they hadn't given up early and tried it never would've gotten to that point.

Total Eclipse1 votes

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if the game is 25 to 4 and enemy is in your base by 20 mins, yeah its time to give up

if a extremely high win rate champion is 8/0 by 20 mins it "maybe" time to give up

if you are 0/2 but the team is up in kills and towers and dragons its not time to give up, its time for you to start playing more and complaining less

tl;dr. its one thing if whole time is far behind, another if you are salty because you played bad and blame others

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Starcraft243ver6 votes

Even if there's still only 5% chance you win this game, you should keep playing it, because that's how you climb, by getting +5% winrate :)

ImTheSideKick2 votes

yeah ok, so why do pros /ff at 15 mins when down as little as 5 kills? because they don't want to spend a hour on a 5% chance game and get into the next one, because that's how you climb, get as many games in as fast as you can

SaveToTheADrive4 votes

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yeah ok, so why do pros /ff at 15 mins when down as little as 5 kills? because they don't want to spend a hour on a 5% chance game and get into the next one, because that's how you climb, get as many games in as fast as you can

Because pros know exactly how a game can play out under certain circumstances. They've already evaluated exactly what potential win conditions they have and unless they're all exhausted, the don't surrender. If you watch Imaqtpie's stream, you can see loads of games where they're down an inhib or 2, and he still thinks they can win it, even if 3/5 wants to FF. Occasionally, he explains to the chat what he needs to do to carry, too.

Us normies don't usually understand all the variables in play in the same way, and just look at the total deaths, or our lane opponent's score, or the number of inhibs down and decide we've had enough.

Shadowmender2 votes

Actually, the closer reason is that challengers / pros make so few game-throwing mistakes that being 5 kills down can actually mean there's no real comeback potential (at least that outweighs the fun of quitting, and coming back to win, to them).

Meanwhile, us normies throw the game every time we blink. It's just we're lucky the enemy is bad enough that they also throw. However, things happen, and they might accidentally catch us when we're blinking, and that's game.

Øcean Eyës1 votes

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Even if there's still only 5% chance you win this game, you should keep playing it, because that's how you climb, by getting +5% winrate :)

No, as long as you win half your games you'll climb, you don't need to win those 5% chance games in order to climb, because as long as your mmr is good you'll gain more than you lose, so you only need to win about half to climb

Starcraft243ver1 votes

but you'd not deny that these 5% can't be detrimental to your climbing :)

Øcean Eyës1 votes

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but you'd not deny that these 5% can't be detrimental to your climbing :)

What are you even saying ? I'm genuinely confused by your comment

Starcraft243ver2 votes

That you climb faster with 55% winrate than with 50%.

Øcean Eyës1 votes

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That you climb faster with 55% winrate than with 50%.

But you're climbing regardless whether or not you have a 50% or a 55% win rate. The chances of winning all of those 5% games are rare especially the higher elo you go, So there's no reason to gamble with that extra 5% because you're still climbing regardless

Starcraft243ver2 votes

If the outcome of a gambling is : 5% chances of winning, 95% chances of losing, and the outcome of NOT gambling is : 0% chances of winning, 100% chances of losing, i'll take the gambling every single time.

Not like these games never happens :

https://i.imgur.com/SZNRnsq.png

https://i.imgur.com/LwJocrI.png

Mike170321 votes

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if the game is 25 to 4 and enemy is in your base by 20 mins, yeah its time to give up

if a extremely high win rate champion is 8/0 by 20 mins it "maybe" time to give up

if you are 0/2 but the team is up in kills and towers and dragons its not time to give up, its time for you to start playing more and complaining less

tl;dr. its one thing if whole team is far behind, another if you are salty because you played bad and blame others

Depends on the team too, and I don't mean team comp.

If the enemy team is up in kills and turrets but running around at random doing garbage time fights, then you have a much better chance at a comeback.

If they are way out rotating you and focusing on objectives, you probably won't come back.

Plat HardstuckXD18 votes

When your ADC dies twice, "I'm done".

RainXBlade4 votes

I mean, you ain't wrong in saying that, even if my team's ADC were to be someone like Tristana.

webstar199512 votes

Especially in lower elo. NEVER give up. People throw so much.

Honeydew Zekling5 votes

It's this or decide not to listen and throw games. Me: Hey, look out, you're like 10hp. You should back right now while it's safe -2 minutes go by- Me: Please go back, you're still at 10hp and if they hit you once you're dead Them: -dies-

OR

Me: Hey guys, lets not engage right now, we're in a bad position and don't have player X -2-3 players engage one by one anyways- Me: Lets not do that again and try to get a good teamfight in -same players continue to do this for 20 minutes-

To be fair, these situations are communicated via pings as it's in the moment. Still, the level of anxiety you get when your ADC stays in lane for minutes at a time with no HP is exhausting.

Oleandervine5 votes

Here's the thing. If you team is doing badly, they will probably continue to do badly, and the opponents will only continue to stack up the kills. If players on your team have given up and thrown in the towel, it's game over. What I don't understand is why 1 or 2 people, knowing that parts of their team have already abandoned ship, continue to propagate a losing game. You're wasting your time and everyone else's if you don't surrender and continue to drag people through the motions of a game that in their mind is already gone. They won't get better, they won't try harder, they'll just do what they can to not get a leaverbuster and that's it.

Raven Redeemed10 votes

Most people will still try if they have to even if they have no hope for a win. I’ve won many games with such people and they often do try harder once they realize it is possible to win. They are wasting my time and the rest of the team’s if they do not try to win the game they committed to in champ select.

Besides, video games are a waste of time. People play them to have fun. If people cannot have fun when behind then they probably should not be playing a game balanced around a 50/50 winrate; they will only be happy half the time.

Samuki2 votes

My perspective on this; when you're on the losing side of a lopsided game, you're in a very difficult situation - you have a challenge in front of you. By confronting those challenging situations, by pushing the limits of what you think is possible, as long as you play with the right mindset, you put yourself in a position to learn something; to get a bit better at playing a game from the back foot.

Ultimately, it's all about mindset; those of us who want to improve should enter each game, not with the intent to win, but with the intent to learn something and improve while attempting to win the game. If you manage a win, that's great, but even if you play perfectly, there are 9 other people, and it's not always going to net you a win. So if you always play with the sole goal of winning, you're at best going to accomplish your goal ~50%, and at times your going to lose many games in a row - in other words, your going to fail at your goal over and over again, you're going to tilt, start making even worse decisions, and just be that much more likely to lose each subsequent game. In this mindset, i can understand why you want to FF as soon as things start looking bad, but IMO this is silly, there is just as much opportunity to practice, learn, and improve in these games as there is in an advantaged/winning game, possibly more.

tl;dr: Worry less about winning, and more about improving and having fun. Losses will be less frustrating and you'll improve at the game faster.

epic dude26115 votes

I understand why people want to give up, it is their time after all and if they feel like they are wasting it then I guess so HOWEVER it is rather selfish to give up IF someone is doing well and wants to carry on. If someone has done well , won their lane etc. And all you`ve done is feed your ass off then the least you could do is let help them and continue playing rather than failing them again

The Darius King4 votes

yesterday the enemy akali died once to my viktor and she left and gave up. This was like 6ish minutes in

5050BS2 votes

I was support and my ADC showed up to lane late so I had taken 2 CS. He Pings me and tells me to stop CSing.... Then 1 minute later gets binded and nuked dead. he instantly DC. We cant remake because he connected and now its a 4v5 at ~3m into the game.

Jofeyy4 votes

Its really pathetic tbh

HungryAngry2SPP3 votes

It's not pride, this is MADNESS

Raiyza2 votes

Sometimes its not worth it to continue playing a loss. Id rather start a new game and try for a win with more time to spare.

Id rather not continue playing with a moron jungler that is 4 levels behind because he has no idea what objectives are.

5050BS2 votes

When this happens over and over then its because they feel defeated. It does suck that when in LOW ELO if you make once mistake its over.

I can see that at challenger level yes one mistake can be a loss, but at LOW ELO should not be this unforgiving.

big boi edri4 votes

It's not though? There are so many mistakes made in low elo on both sides you can't count them all without taking notes from a replay.

Corrupt Bliss2 votes

I'm low elo (low/mid plat currently) and people still throw all the time. Can't say anything about challenjour, but imo people having a really poor attitude attributes a substantial amount to stomps.

Jaygo412 votes

Nobody wants to fight for their right to party anymore. Everyone gives up too early.

EVERYONE is an ape. They can throw. At least test the unlikely waters... you'll find you'll win games sometimes that seemed extremely unlikely.

A Dizzy Lulu1 votes

Going to concede here and say I've been a victim of acting like this myself sometimes, I guess I can put it this way:

When you die twice in rapid succession early on, it's ridiculously tilting and since you died twice, you're filled with nothing but negativity and lose hope so you just want to surrender as fast as you can, regardless of how early on it is. You also can't do anything since you're on the grey screen, so you just type crap to fill the time. It's flawed logic but mostly just due to emotion, all you can really do to go about it is stay positive because generally people who want to surrender ASAP will still at minimum try to win somewhat, no matter how tilted.

At least that's how it is with me specifically, and a problem I have in terms of behavior in game.

rtbf2256182411 votes

Because damage creep is so extremely punishing, people have developed a warped perception of even the slightest mistakes being fatal, regardless that they're only Gold players or whatever.

Hawthorn Tree1 votes

Could have. Could HAVE. Holy fuck, please.

NodaYame1271 votes

My mentality is that: If I end up dying a few times due to mistakes or whatever and I don't think we can win (After looking over all the lanes and the junglers) I propose a surrender. If it is that the rest of the team doesn't think the surrender is necessary and we can still pull through then I stay and I try my best to help my team and ride this one out because I login to this game of legends every time to play it, I didn't login to whine a billion times like a child and then smash my keyboard trying to type words to people thinking it will affect them.

I don't know... what I'm trying to say is Don't just login to be an asshole. You can easily not bother with the game for a day if you've got your diapers in such a twist.

xPhantomDancerX1 votes

Top lane gives first blood, then feed over 5 kills in the first 5 minutes goes "Jungler never ganks".

5050BS1 votes

Snowball.

Its stupid that FB means that lane is now a total loss. Die once in the first 5 minutes of a game and when you get back to lane the enemy is now 2 level on you. Should not be.

FB Turret means 70% change that team will win. Riots own numbers shows this.

Snowman Arc1 votes

Honestly, it's just the nature of snowballing. Lately, games just snowball out of control to the point that a smart and experienced player can understand that it's out of their control to win.

LOSINGISMYPRIDE1 votes

well the reason why is that there are now two time you can ff so since there are many door to end the game they just dont care and dont want to waste time . Whose fault ? Community asking for a 15 min ff .

datfatguy1 votes

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COULD&amp of done.

COULD HAVE ffs

NaturesMayhem1 votes

I can guess why, this season is snowball meta. After one death you can expect to lose lane. Even if you still have a chance, many people are probably already tilted from their last game and are becoming even more tilted imagining what the current one will become because of their lousy mistake. League is honestly a vicious cycle of self-criticism and tilt, it blows my mind that so many people continue to play and play despite the fact that many of them aren't even having fun.

Circuitry1 votes

It is hard to say. Sure sometimes a guy goes on tilt and wants to quit when he probably shouldn't. However, for the most part Riot has turned League into an incredibly tilting game. I believe the majority of the blame for early surrenders and people giving up early rests with Riot's inability to create a game that is conducive to a positive in-game atmosphere. Furthermore, I believe this negativity can be directly correlated to lol's ever increasing snowballyness <- that's a word

Gød Gankplank1 votes

Most of the time people give up when your team doesn't do shit anymore. Jungler sits in jungle farming. ADC feeds their ass off. Mid is doing ok or feeds. Same with top. Those are my games and there is no point in trying when the whole team or most of the team is not trying. That's my logic. PS: Welcome to gold in NA

Thegreatxiu1 votes

I remember a game that our team gave up first blood on a lvl 1 invade. Our toplaner legit called gg and only did the bare minimum to not be considered afk/griefing. He legit int'd and made the game unwinnable. Despite my teams best efforts we lost, but what made the game unwinnable wasn't a lvl 1 invade getting the enemy team first blood, what made the game unwinnable was someone completely giving up trying to win the game less than two minutes into it.

VvVVvV1 votes

This is so true especially in low elo when you are getting people who dont usually play ranked. They dont even care about winning it seems.

It tilts me so much to see people think that kills is all that matters and even if our team has taken more enemy towers they just want to surrender because we are down 5 kills. And it especially tilts me when people say "its just a game, dont play so serious." like yeah, i know its a game, but ranked is a competitive mode, if you dont care wether you win or lose then stay in normals and quit outvoting me giving me auto losses just because you dont want to play the game anymore when the game is not really out of control yet.

ok rant over...thats been built up and this seemed like the best thread to get it out in. it happens too much.

Xonra1 votes

It's the biggest strength and weakness in ranked; people just want to win.

People will do the most derpy stuff that can end up as an awesome play just to win a game.

The problem is if they at any point get the tiniest bit discouraged they will just quit, because they want to win, but if for ANY reason they think they are't going to they just don't want to even try anymore.

It's the most toxic ass stuff and is becoming the new go to. It used to be trolls and afks were the bane of the ranked playerbase, but these days it is people that just get pouty and throw and in game tempter tantrum at the first sign of trouble.

Bumperlane1 votes

That's the nature of the game these days. Going down 2 deaths means you lose your lane 99% of the time.

GamingAleks1 votes

lol don't play ranked

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