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Ludens Echo, Zhonyas Hourglass and Banshees Veil are broken and should be nerfed or reverted

DontReworkYI·2/3/2019, 5:53:02 PM·4 votes·1,324 views

Why does Ludens have +90 AP, +20% CDR and +600 mana at the same time? And the passive as well? It's so unbalanced like wtf. Old ludens was just 100 AP and 10% movespeed but this? Like cmon thats just too op. Also, lost chapter and it's passive. Mages can spam their abilities and they don't get punished for it cuz if they level up they just gain their mana back. Ludens should be either nerfed to max 60 AP or the mana should be lowered to 300 or less. And the CDR should only be 10%

Why does Zhonyas give 10% CDR, 75 AP and 45 ARMOR??? And it also has it's BS active. Does Guardian angel offer any CDR? No it doesn't. It only gives 40 AD and 30 ARMOR, which compared to zhonyas is ridiculous. Also, zhonyas only costs 2900 which is incredibly low. Zhonya should be nerfed (it should give less armor and AP) or reverted to 2 min cooldown and the old stats ( 100 AP 45 ARMOR , no CDR).

Banshees Veil should be reverted too. It used to be an item for tanks that would give them an opportunity to engage if the enemy team had a lot of CC. And abyssal scepter was a solid, balanced item. It gave no CDR (before they changed it), 70 AP and 50 MR. So now after all these changes, you can have 800 ap and be able to oneshot a squishy target, but you can also have 120 armor and MR. That just makes no sense imo.

I think these three items should be reverted or at least nerfed somehow.

19 Comments

Frog goes moo2/3/2019, 6:18:23 PM4 votes

Assassin main I presume?

Fízz v22/3/2019, 5:54:09 PM4 votes

ludens is good, zhonyas and banshees are garbage tho lul

boricCentaur12/3/2019, 6:01:53 PM3 votes

Zhonyas should definitely be nerfed like it does way to much and it should just be a niche item like Ga and most defensive offense items. Banshess is fine it is more of a niche item then a core item and that is good. Ludens should be reverted and make a new item with low damage and have it give mana so they have to choose if they want damage or sustain making for more item diversity.

kingDeDeDarius2/3/2019, 6:25:15 PM2 votes

Garbage post by someone who doesn't understand the game. Those items are fine and are far from the problematic. If anything, nerf could staff by 5 to 10 % and add a little more flat magic pen on another item

heroikc2/3/2019, 6:18:51 PM2 votes

Why? Well, originally, Morrellocon had all that (AP, CDR, and mana), but it's was rushed too often when it was not needed for its grievous wounds. So, CDR, AP, and mana boons were shifted onto other/new items (including Luden's Echo, which is useful on most poke mages and better to rush). Reverting Luden's echo would also likely require reverting ALL mana changes, so you're back to square one, anyway, with mages poking and clearing at inhuman speeds.

Zhonya's is pretty much a counter AD assassin item, so armor is a must. Plus it's active was too invaluable on so many mages (Fiddles, Annie, Morg, Kennen, Swain, Rumble). The CDR is just a nice bonus. Guardian Angel also doesn't need CDR because either 1.) the champions who use it don't need CDR, like most marksmen and ADCs or 2.) have access to other CDR options like item 3133 item 3071 item 3078

BV was originally a defensive/tank item giving only health and MR, but given tanks can take whatever poke/CC that is thrown at them, it was considered redundant, so its stats were swapped with Abyssal Mask (then abyssal scepter) to be made into a defensive option for AP champs. Abyssal Scepter was also near useless on most mages given its aura is SHORT ranged (and most mages would want to minimize such contact, especially in this burst meta). Tanks would often make better use of it given they can wander up and smack people. (if anything, I'd rather have Mask regain spectre's cowl instead of catalyst.)

All in all, you sound like you never played Mages, or any AP champs and are just salty that you're getting you're butt kicked by them.

fire2632/3/2019, 11:12:16 PM1 votes

Zhonyas is fine, I'd rather get the component (seekers) nerfed considering once stacked up it's one of the most gold efficient items in the game. But the completed zhonyas is fine and this is coming from an assassin main. Banshee's is also perfectly fine the way it is, the passive shield really doesn't do much, the MR is a bit high but it's intended as ap counter, and mages need CDR which is why majority of their items have it. Ludens I agree though needs a few changes, as currently it provides so much and is one of the biggest powerspike items in the game, providing most mages with anything they need. I would like to see the CDR unique passive of 10% removed from it at least. I would say remove the mana but mages don't really have any other reliable mana item if they don't build seraphs, which not all mages like to use, and GLP is pretty much useless minus glacial augment build if that's still a thing.

Syrile2/3/2019, 6:22:49 PM1 votes

It is interesting that Zhonya's is too strong... considering how all assassins can all in you about 6 times or more during the CD of the effect. Strangely enough, the stats are not enough as it is. Defensive items require a lot more skill to use properly than pushing R + Q and insta-killing someone from over a wall with Talon, while invisible. With a much longer CD. And R is not even needed.

HP Crookshanks2/3/2019, 6:25:22 PM1 votes

item 3155 [sg-lux-2]

MiracleMorg942/3/2019, 10:48:30 PM1 votes

Dude. Zhonya's has already been nerfed TWICE thanks to you AD mains bitching about it.

So STOP.

All these items are either fine or need some help, actually. Learn to play around them instead of cry about it. Sheesh.