So whoever decided to change Aurelion Sol's W and the fact that he doesn't get movement when he walks in a straight line was an idiot. Before he was actually manageable, but now he is useless. More than ever. Sure they gave his W a movement speed buff when they collapse, but its utterly useless. I know I'm not the only one that feels this way. I'm just hoping whomever the dev team was that decided this was okay realizes that they are incredibly dumb.
Nyarlathοtep17 votesThe changes in w are ridiculously bad .
Why. He gains. Movement speed. After they collapse.
Its so stupid if you think about it. Normally you would use the speed buff to reposition your stars, but once they collapse they arent worth to reposition. The speed buff seems like a gimmick just to help him disengage. A trait that usually is found in assassins not mages.
And ofc, the cd seems to push him towards a burst mage and less towards a sustained damage mage. Sure late game the cd is low enough. But still, it promotes burst over sustain damage.
Anatera2 votesThe changes in w are ridiculously bad .
Why. He gains. Movement speed. After they collapse.
Its so stupid if you think about it. Normally you would use the speed buff to reposition your stars, but once they collapse they arent worth to reposition. The speed buff seems like a gimmick just to help him disengage. A trait that usually is found in assassins not mages.
And ofc, the cd seems to push him towards a burst mage and less towards a sustained damage mage. Sure late game the cd is low enough. But still, it promotes burst over sustain damage.
Lol ikr? Only Riot could mess up something so basic and simple. It's like they don't play their own game or something.
Oh wait, they don't.
Handy Sandy 1 votesMovement speed. After they collapse.
The intended playstyle is just spam W so you get the ms to catch up or run away depending on the situation. The cooldown is like 2 seconds when maxed without CDR, so a lategame sol is basically the old one but more mana hungry and faster. This change also makes his matchup against assassins better. He still can't 100-0 someone as fast as lux or syndra can.
If anything, this opens up more build paths and makes him more consistent instead of completely stomping 50% of matchups and not being able to do anything in the other 50%.
Nyarlathοtep2 votesThe intended playstyle is just spam W so you get the ms to catch up or run away depending on the situation.
Oke but not why not during the initial start when you can use your speed boost to reposition your w (since now you heavily rely on that initial 3 second to deal damage)?
This change also makes his matchup against assassins better
How exactly? He cant now shove early on. And his overall dmg got nerfed. If something his early now is shitty.
Handy Sandy 1 votesOke but not why not during the initial start when you can use your speed boost to reposition your w (since now you heavily rely on that initial 3 second to deal damage)?
because that would just be op. if he gets the ms at the end it allows for more counterplay because he's deciding whether to get the ms boost or damage you, not BOTH at the same itme.
How exactly? He cant now shove early on. And his overall dmg got nerfed. If something his early now is shitty.
Aurelion sol was bad vs assassins because he couldn't completely get away from them without blowing flash or his r. Now he can W to run away from 
with like 400 ms.
He shoves the same after his first item. This stops his dumb level 2/3 bot lane ganks. Yes, it makes his early game worse because he cant duel anyone as easily, but a champion that can roam as easily as him should not have a good early game to balance out the overall strength of his ganks...other than taliyah but she's her own champion with her own niche.
Nyarlathοtep2 votesbecause that would just be op. if he gets the ms at the end it allows for more counterplay because he's deciding whether to get the ms boost or damage you, not BOTH at the same itme.
Well currently if you try to get close with the boost with your w, will only lead to your ass getting kicked. Unless its late game, getting close without your w is a bad idea. Late game it has low cd. However late game, everyone deals a whole lot more damage than you will ever deal way faster.
Aurelion sol was bad vs assassins because he couldn't completely get away from them without blowing flash or his r. Now he can W to run away from with like 400 ms.
No you wont. That speed boost also decays. However this speed boost helps vs immobile champs. Champs like yasuo and kata still beat your ass and you cant get away. Multiple dashes > a mediocre speedboost.
Yes, it makes his early game worse because he cant duel anyone as easily, but a champion that can roam as easily as him should not have a good early game to balance out the overall strength of his ganks
Then whats the point of picking him? He is an early champ (or rather now mid?) not a late game. Just played a game where i reached late game. I tried my best but alas i couldnt deal enough damage. The enemy zilean and ezreal were spamming their q (and w in the case of ez) and one hit of them would sent me to fountain. I just couldnt stay around for my stars to deal dmg. And my stun well, is as good as 0.75 can be.
Handy Sandy 1 votesChamps like yasuo and kata still beat your ass and you cant get away
No they can't
Then whats the point of picking him?
His lategame is very good, ranking 14th in games lasting 40+ minutes compared to all other mids right when released. It makes sense that you would lose to a poking ezreal, but that's a matter of you/your team just not playing well which is what we all do sometimes.
He has his own niche compared to other scaling ap mids
(mid) 
The problem with these guys? They can't help their team. They don't like to follow their jungler in skirmishes or do very well in dragon fights. This is exactly where asol shines. He gets there first, turns it into a 4v3, and wins - relying on his buffed QE combo to change the battle instantly. He's like karthus but instead of ulting, he actually goes to the scene and does what he can.
14daysuspensionk7 votesWe need a petiton to revert this fucking change. Why the fuck did Riot do this, they managed to ruin a champion for me for the 1st time.
Dracocrash2 votesWe need a petiton to revert this fucking change. Why the fuck did Riot do this, they managed to ruin a champion for me for the 1st time.
1st time? YIKES
14daysuspensionk1 votes1st time? YIKES
Yea, but if you want my actual first time, well, that happened in a dream so idk if it counts since it wasn't real.
mrmeddyman7 votesChange my boi back pls. Why destroy his identity?
Ciphered Entity2 votesI absolutely 100% agree with this post. They destroyed his core identity with his W and made him worse than he was, like what's the point? Literally the only positive out of these changes was the ability to reactivate Q faster, but with the stun time being insanely short (0.7 Sec) when you activate it right after casting it, even that one positive is made pointless. Overall garbage changes. Feels like it switched up his playstyle entirely, which was not at all necessary. I'ma miss my boi Sol. Riot kills yet another champion.
figold6661 votesYou are playing him wrong. He is a scaling champ like Corki. Don’t roam and don’t wave clear (leaves you vulnerable). Instead just farm until you get 2-3 items then deal some AOE damage.
Xavanic2 votesYou are playing him wrong. He is a scaling champ like Corki. Don’t roam and don’t wave clear (leaves you vulnerable). Instead just farm until you get 2-3 items then deal some AOE damage.
Corki isn't a scaling champ? he's an early game lane bully that falls off late game due to his poor range and reliance of staring at ppl to do his dmg, a sol is completely reliant on snowballing off his roams since he is very weak early, if your not roaming on sol your playing him wrong, but these changes hurt his roaming significantly...i would go so far to say as these "tweaks" are just outright nerfs
figold6663 votesA big part of Corki is that he is weak early, look at pro play and how he was rampant because his counters (assassins) were weak. He scales to do big damage and counter defensive itemization with his mixed damage and penetration.
Xavanic1 votesA big part of Corki is that he is weak early, look at pro play and how he was rampant because his counters (assassins) were weak. He scales to do big damage and counter defensive itemization with his mixed damage and penetration.
but yet he's a lane bully since every time i see him, he burns 60%+ of my health early game, so he's got not weak point and should be nerfed is what your sayng?
Handy Sandy 1 votesAsol was oppressive because he actually did damage early and wasn't gated very hard by mana. This meant he could roam nonstop as long as you weren't playing Kassadin, and there's nothing you can do about it.
New Asol waveclears faster but is also weaker early and more mana reliant. This gives top/bot lane a better chance of not instantly dying to his roams. HOWEVER the buff to his E makes sure he gets there so much quicker. These aren't nerfs, but slight changes to his playstyle.
Xavanic1 votes[{quoted}](name=Azir ate my ASS,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UGRYoOuR,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2019-08-30T14:35:23.192+0000)
Asol was oppressive because he actually did damage early and wasn't gated very hard by mana. This meant he could roam nonstop as long as you weren't playing Kassadin, and there's nothing you can do about it.
New Asol waveclears faster but is also weaker early and more mana reliant. This gives top/bot lane a better chance of not instantly dying to his roams. HOWEVER the buff to his E makes sure he gets there so much quicker. These aren't nerfs, but slight changes to his playstyle.
what?....asol did and still does 0 dmg early game, he's outdamaged by literally every champ in the game, but scaled into a late game behemoth, he roamed because he didn't stand a chance in a 1v1 early game against even soraka and relies on getting fed to be useful
Handy Sandy 1 votesidk if you've even played/played against old asol. Previous asol was an oppressive early game champion that took advantage of his crazy roaming potential to either spread his lead, or avoid fighting the enemy mid if they played fizz/kass etc. He wasn't outdamaged at all as long as the enemy mid was playing a mage. He'd often get kills level 1-2 because of his ability to run someone down the lane.
Xavanic1 votes[{quoted}](name=Azir ate my ASS,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UGRYoOuR,comment-id=00010000000100000000,timestamp=2019-09-01T14:36:47.761+0000)
idk if you've even played/played against old asol. Previous asol was an oppressive early game champion that took advantage of his crazy roaming potential to either spread his lead, or avoid fighting the enemy mid if they played fizz/kass etc. He wasn't outdamaged at all as long as the enemy mid was playing a mage. He'd often get kills level 1-2 because of his ability to run someone down the lane.
really, thats not how i remember playing him, i remember his level 1 being alright, but 2 and onwards getting zoned because you do so little dmg compared to literally every other mid in the game, annie, syndra, lux, you name it, they did more dm g then you (i have 50+ games on sol)
boricCentaur13 votesUmmm I hate to break this to you but they MADE HIS LATE GAME WEAKER. He lost 10% ap on his w that is actually a good amount lost. Like the ms doesn't help in much in the late game either.
So idk where is late game idea comes from.
figold6661 votesI’m not defending these changes, just saying that his identity was changed. I find the new A Sol to be a late game champion because he sucks more early game. Not saying he is better than before late, just saying his early is even worse.
