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When It's Uncarryable

Marcielago··2 votes·383 views

Hey everyone, just like to bring up an issue. (For a Jungler)

As most people know, a game is won through teamwork - hence five people on each side with different roles. However, it seems there are the casual few who seemingly do not understand teamwork, or bother reading the chat or looking at pings. It seems to me there are 2 types:

  1. If you don't gank him, he or she ints/feeds/becomes toxic.
  2. If you gank him but took the kill whether intentionally or not, he or she ints/feeds/becomes toxic.

Now, these can be split into smaller subdivisions of stereotypes, but I won't go that deep. Basically, I absolutely despise people who don't cooperate and play for themselves. Here are some examples of what I run across the most:

An ADC is carrying but the toplaner is very behind and refuses to tank and builds damage. This as most people should know, won't end well.

If you can't gank a lane because other lanes are behind. But they won't have any of it and proceed to be toxic/afk/int, etc.

When a lane is behind, you tell them to just farm and wait, no trading. They proceed to do the exact opposite and end up being toxic/afk etc.

When you are carrying but teammates start fighting, and even though you try your best to persuade them to just mute each other and play the game, they won't listen.

People (mostly toplaners) who splitpush and NEVER bother teleporting/coming down to help the team take objectives.

People who push lanes and never ward, OR listen to pings.

These are problems that render every game un-winnable. Every game CAN BE won, it's just a matter of teamwork. (Unless someone is scripting or smurfing)

I'd like to read some other Junglers thoughts on my opinion too.

Thanks.

3 Comments

woodvsmurph2 votes

So building damage on a toplaner when behind is sometimes the correct call. Ex: trynd will not build tank even when behind because he is not meant to - same with rumble and some others. You also need to look at WHY they are behind. Have they been camped all game and are even in cs but down 2 kills? Give them a damn gank asap - camp their lane in fact because they probably nearly picked up kills 1v2 and you will easily win the 2v2, grab shutdown gold, and snowball your "losing" lane. You should usually gank a winning or neutral lane right? Yeah, but you also need to look at why a lane is losing if they are and what are the consequences. Ex: a rumble who is losing to a darius should get some pretty high priority for ganks from mid AND jungle for 2 reasons: you don't want a fed darius, rumble gets outscaled 1v1 and you don't want a split-push darius destroying towers at will and running wild through your jungle because he can put rumble so far behind that rumble becomes useless. If a champ gets focused too hard and you don't exploit that in your other lanes by forcing fights, towers, objectives HARD your laner WILL become USELESS through no fault of their own other than maybe that they died 1 time early to a gank and are now being camped to deny cs and xp. Sure you can camp bot or mid and get the same level of snowball MAYBE, but the right toplaner just makes better use of an early snowball if you don't force down towers with your lead bot/mid AND control drag. Sometimes you should force objectives and sometimes you need to rotate and trade towers instead of contesting an objective. You can notice pretty early who spam pings for ganks for no reason and who (like me) pings for ganks for 2 reasons: about to be ganked and knows you (jungle) can counter-gank NOW and turn it into a 2 for 1 or 2 for 0, can snowball IF I get help with tower-diving enemy laner or get a 2v2 and carry the game but cannot quite finish off opponent alone without risking trading kills or am being held down by getting 2v1'd for 15+ min while you are getting nowhere camping mid or bot. Doing another camp when such a player pings that they NEED a gank NOW just sentences them to death or forces them into a horrible disadvantage and means they will probably use tp to try to get a lane advantage and not leave lane to help with objectives. You help me, I more than pay it forwards. You let someone like a riven or renekton, or rumble fall too far behind, they can get tower dove and killed endlessly despite building and playing as safely as possible. If you are not getting objectives and winning just as hard elsewhere, they generally see no point in playing. Maybe you or your teammates are making poor shotcalls. I don't know how many times I will make a good shotcall, have it ignored, and grudgingly do a dumb or at least not-optimal call my teammates are dead-set on doing. Then we lost a teamfight HARD and the enemy gets the objective. Repeat that all game long. Maybe team listens to me ONCE all game. And when we do, we WIN the fight and get an objective despite being down in levels and down a full item across the board. Yet despite that, they go back to their poor shotcalling the next teamfight and throw the lead right back to lose the game. When this is the type of macro going on with my team, I will usually end up ignoring them and making the best possible solo play to hopefully carry the game. Especially true when I've been hung out to dry by my team all game while they fed despite getting all the jungle help while enemy jungler sat top all game. When you go for objectives by the way, you need to look at rest of map first. Do people need to heal or shop? Is there a giant wave or splitpusher who needs to be stopped first? Can you wait 5 sec so your top/mid/bot can set up a giant wave to push enemy tower before coming to objective? Is the other team set up to take a more important objective while you commit to this one? Will you be trapped and aced for taking the objective? Is there a ward for them to tp to? There are trash boosted players in every role and people who look like smurfs but are actually just held down by regularly getting teams no one player can carry too.

UnboundHades1 votes

do people really complain about the jungler taking the kills. if the enemy laner is dead and is missing xp and gold that's fine with me

Quietpartner1 votes

Marcielago,

I completely agree. There will be some that say if you are so good you should be able to mega, ultra, carry a crappy team, but I don't believe that perspective. If those people do exist, they are less than 1% of people that play League. For the rest of us, we lose and win by our teams performance, which makes the game completely unfair. You should read my post on becoming Ranked by our Individual Grade in Game. Yes, everything you said does happen in game, and often. It needs to be fixed so good players aren't punished.

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