Veigar Rework is in the right direction but....

Zehunter··2 votes·4,465 views

Veigar is underwhelming in his current state. His new kit is good but needs to change in order for him to be viable/consistent. He is just too easy to out play.

His Q is his biggest issue right now. It is a relatively long cool down for his only source of reliable damage. Top that off with being blocked by minions and undesirable targets it basically becomes useless. My fix: Lower the cool down to similar to Karth and Cass Q. Lower AP gained to 0.5AP per kill of minion. Still a chance for him to gain lots of AP making him scary but still dodgeable and skill needed. Possibly lower AP ratio as this wouldn’t be your major kill skill but a harass/buttering the targets up.

His W is strong. Would function as kill skill in terms high skill/luck but still dodgeable. Open to counter play. Want to keep this with the high-risk high-reward mentality.

His E is awful. Don’t get me wrong, instant stun at the uber range is unacceptable. The current problem is that if you do manage to get them in the ring the only ability that is a sure thing is his R. People can still dodge your Q and W. My fix: Make the cage size smaller. This will make it so if you do get caught you either get hit by W or get stunned by cage. Your choice. Q becomes easier to hit and allows you for more reliability on both Q and W.

His R is needs to be the Nuke of all Nukes. If it takes a target down to ¼ health… Its doing its job for something that can only be used once a fight. Late game if your get caught by Veigar with 3 skill shots you should be dead.

Overall I think Riot is heading in the right direction with this Veigar but as he has long cool downs on most of his abilities and unreliable damage output other than his ult.

Let me know what you think. Please excuse spelling errors.

Edit: Removed the word unplayable from the post as it seems that is all people were able to read.

10 Comments

Best Darius KR1 votes

Veigar is far from being unplayable

The Q is really good, you just need to not be braindead The E is surprisingly easy to hit, mostly because it screws up people's pathing The ult nerf was needed after the Q buff

The question is: Is Veigar weak? Yes Is he unplayable? No

Lugg1 votes

If someone is weak, they need buffs, playable or not.

Mal the Red1 votes

Unplayable?

All I have to say is "Get good!"

Zehunter1 votes

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Unplayable?

All I have to say is "Get good!"

Unplayable is the wrong wording. Useless is better. If you get unlucky or miss you are a sitting duck with nothing to deter people from attacking you.

Sitting under a tower afk farming until somebody make a mistake is not "good" IMO.

Thanks for the feed back.

Mal the Red1 votes

If you get unlucky or miss you are not good and need to get good.

DrCyanide4 votes

His average win rate on this patch has been 39% in Diamond.

http://www.lolking.net/champions/veigar&region=all&map=sr&queue=1x1&league=diamond#statistics

Alternatively, you can look at champion.gg, which has him at 38.49% for Plat+:

http://champion.gg/champion/Veigar

In order to even come close to hitting a 50% win rate on Veigar, you need to drag the game beyond 35 minutes. For comparison, last patch he had a 50% win rate in 20-25 minute games, it dipped to 49.5% at 25-30 minutes, then went to 53% 30-35 minutes, falling to 52% for 35+.

Put another way, 5.4 Veigar at 35+ minutes is almost as effective as 5.3 Veigar at 20 minutes. Almost.

It's also worth pointing out that while Veigar was about average on Deaths, Damage Dealt, Minions Killed, Win Rate, and Gold Earned last patch (with higher than average kills and lower than average assists) in 5.3. On 5.4, Veigar has fallen far, far below average in Win Rate, Assists, and Kills. He comes close enough to average in Minions Killed, Damage Dealt and Gold Earned, but ends up with a lot more deaths than average.


TL;DR: At what rank do Veigar players have to get to to be good enough to play Veigar without being a liability to their team? "Get Good" could be more accurately defined as "Play so bad you drop to a lower MMR and look good relative to those players".

Digielf1 votes

Veigar needs visual update more than any other yordle, dont care about his spells much but his model is completely outdated

Owntrolf1 votes

Can we just make veigar have no cooldowns. They are the short darkness

Lugg1 votes

Veiger is probably the weakest mage in the game right now. Fiddle is the only one who even comes close to being that bad right now.

True Dreaming1 votes

Veigar's passive should just be X AP per kill imo (cuz that's the passive we know him for anyway). That aside, i love veigar as a champ, but he is missing diversity. q, w and r are just damage. No silences, slows or any wacky veigarisms. His kit feels WAY too simple and a bit repetitive (although burst king is fun :D ).

Riot please give him more gameplay tricks to make him more fun other than just his e. Change his passive and/or ult

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