I want to play Tristana in rankeds again.

SbsBraavos··84 votes·4,961 views

Please make her a hypercarry again, because at the moment she is just nothing. Mediocre early, mediocre midgame, medicore lategame, lowest base AS, no longer longest range, Jinxs pushes towers faster, jinx has more range, jinx has better early mid and lategame, jinx has similar resets, jinx has more lane presence. Yes , I used to be a Tristana Main, but now Im a jinx main, because she is what comes closest to her, and I actually want to climb in ranked. Tristana is really a huge victim of this ohhh it was played in lcs, its op stuff. Remember, you gave her very small buffs in early season 4, when her lategame potential was still huge. She was considered completely fine, actually rather weak. Then people started banning her, eventough she only had like 52% winrate. Jinx had 55% and no one ever said a word. And then this happened: v4.13 Tristana's W slows less at early ranks but more at max rank. E does less damage (especially at early levels). W - Rocket Jump SLOW DURATION: 2.5 seconds at all levels ⇒ 1/1.5/2/2.5/3 seconds E - Explosive Shot ACTIVE MAGIC DAMAGE: 110/150/190/230/270 ⇒ 80/125/170/215/260 v4.17 R - Buster Shot COOLDOWN: 60 seconds at all ranks ⇒ 100/85/70 seconds v4.18 General ATTACK SPEED PER LEVEL: +4% per level ⇒ +2.5% per level Q: DURATION: 7 seconds ⇒ 5 seconds BONUS ATTACK SPEED: Now gives 30/45/60/75/90% attack speed ⇒ 30/50/70/90/110% attack speed

Then the rework: Attackspeed per Level nerfed even more to 1.5% Range per Level nerfed. (just why, its her identity) Removed her Grevious wounds on e which is actually great in botlane all ins.

Gave her some Towerpushing abilities and added a mechanic to her w which actually says you should jump into the fight. Who does that on a adc???

So do all those nerfs really feel justified? To me it's like the biggest pack of nerfs I've ever seen to a champion who has been considered balanced for a long long time. You literally nerfed EVERY SINGLE SPELL INCLUDING PASSIVE AND BASE STATS.!!! You said in some context to the jinx nerfs, that a champion like jinx, which is good in teamfights and towerdestruction should have a winrate of 50% or higher. To me Tristana is very similar to jinx, she should be a more mobile version, with less aoe and weaker early game, but she should be very strong late. Right now Trist has the lowest winrate of all ADCs, even though her mechanics are very simple, and she should actually do well in this tank meta, because old trist used to be a tank shredder with the huge range and attackspeed, which is now gone. Please give her more Attackspeed and the revert the Range changes, it feels so slow motion AAing with her...

Your former Tristana Main.

83 Comments

Darth Pixy Misa30 votes

In this meta Tristana needs her As back so she can shread towers and tanks. Another problem is that Tristana is one of the squishier Adc out there, but is expected to get close with Rocket jump where she gets dived or CC'ed, But what if Trist was tougher than the average ADC?

What if Trist's Niche was she can kill towers quick and is hard to dive or gank. She already has Rocket Jump and R. So For Trist to Kite and Pick while taking a few shots she needs:

More Base Attack Speed, and AS growth (please change this to 3.5% with her kit style she needs AS more than a typical ADC) More Base Hp, More Base Armor, More Hp regen and / or some sustain mechanic.

OperationDEEZ13 votes

Someone forgot that Trist can E towers.

Black Star 12991 votes

Fastest tower shredder probably in game.

Mandang021 votes

Idk who downvoted this. Tris is trash and Riot keeps playing inconsequential games w/ cooldown reduction (on skills with ridiculously long cooldowns) to try to help. Look, I can do w/o this stacking power and even without some of her early game strength, but how about letting the lategame scaler actually...idk...scale late?

Right now, she's basically a weaker jinx.

Vegas Dad3 votes

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Idk who downvoted this. Tris is trash and Riot keeps playing inconsequential games w/ cooldown reduction (on skills with ridiculously long cooldowns) to try to help. Look, I can do w/o this stacking power and even without some of her early game strength, but how about letting the lategame scaler actually...idk...scale late?

Right now, she's basically a weaker jinx.

Logged in to virtually punch all the dumb asses who are lying about tristan being the weakest adc in the game , let me introduce you to Varus Ashe and mf now kindly stfu and realize trist might not be top tier but she is definitely playable and better than a good number of other adc's

SbsBraavos8 votes

http://champion.gg/champion/Ashe u sure about that? If Ashe is so bad why does she win 10% more games than trist?

Mandang06 votes

^This.

Also, on just a game design note - who the hell wants to play a champion who specializes in fighting structures (besides Tryn mains)? All I really want is her power to be returned to fighting champs rather than towers.

Champion Skin3 votes

Hey... Trynd is pretty good at using his crit to kill other things as well and his ult is usually pretty good at keeping him alive for at least a little while

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

Best tank in the game not too long ago. . . . Building only damage.

badooga1 votes

Jax

SbsBraavos19 votes

I don't know why people downvote this, when it's so clear that Trist is way subpar to other adcs. Im not asking for my main Champion to become overpowered, just simply in line with other carries, because I enjoy her playstyle and theme. Im even having way better results with jinx than I ever had with trist, managed to get from gold 5 to platin 2 with her, but I just miss tristana and want to play her without being doomed to loose elo. Old trist was never as op as people thought she would be, her jump could be interrupted by everything and had a very long cd, she needs kills or assists to get resets, but unlike jinx she doesnt have massive amounts of AOE damage so its harder to get resets. Add a very mediocre early game, where basically every other adc had atleast free farm, because she couldn't really bully anybody at Lucian/Jinx/Caitlyn Level.

NorthernDruid8 votes

For having a passive that grants you more range, Tristana feels rather lacking in range.

I find this weird, I hear her range was nerfed with her rework or something, but I'm not sure i've been able to find the entire story, can someone bring me up to speed?

Extreme range seems like one of those things which makes tristana's late game scaling really iconic, And if it wasn't so hard staying safe while pounding away at your E target, then I think I'd try and play her more.

Nilok5 votes

They made it so she has 550 starting range, but made it only scale by 7 instead of 9, meaning Tristana's range is only around 660 instead of 704.

Also I don't know, but they may have made her hit box smaller which also reduced her range since auto attack range is measured from the edge of the model instead of the middle.

NorthernDruid1 votes

Wow, that's quite the nerf. No wonder it's hard to feel the difference with levels.

cshakes1 votes

IMO they should make it so that her starting range is 525 or 500 so her early is riskier but then it scales by 10 or 11 per level so she scales up to 690-710 range about. Gives her a weak early but a stronger late.

Trash MammaI7 votes

Yes , I used to be a Tristana Main, but now Im a jinx main, because she is what comes closest to her

Jinx doesn't have 2 forms of reliable self peel with her range.

Tristana is perfectly fine. What she use to be was retardedly overpowered. Being a marksman she already had the range and dps and a built in grievous wounds. Not only that but she always had an AoE knockback for if you ever got close. If you managed to get close again she had her resetable jump. If you managed to somehow get close gain she has flash. Then if you SOMEHOW aren't dead and managed to get close again she either has her jump reset already or had her support peeling.

As far as i'm concerned if you're ranged and have good mobility/self peel you have no right to complain since you already have a huge advantage over a large part of the champion pool

Orang Wutan32 votes

How is 45% winrate on an easy to play champion fine?? What good is Safety, if you can't deal any damage? Why does a Autoattack based carry have the lowest AS scaling in the Game? It used to be 4% now its 1.5, thats 18x2.5= 45% less Attackspeed at Level 18+ lower duration on the q+ less range etc. Tristana is not fine at all, and the numbers prove it.

Mandang04 votes

^This.

Remlap12232 votes

Forgetting someones? Annie Nautilus Singed

ChaoticPinecone1 votes

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What good is Safety, if you can't deal any damage?

now she doesnt have copious amounts of both.

i completely suck at ADC. i cant stutter step too well. I never get any kills in lane. I usually have less farm than the enemy laner. Im always out of mana from using abilities to farm. i almost always die to ganks. im not great at dodging skillshots at autotattack range. if you look at my past caitlyn games, i won one. and that was when i played AP caitlyn support. of those caitlyn games, my AP caitlyn support did more damage than any time i built her ADC.

yet i had a 100% win rate with tristana last season. She was too safe to be doing that much damage. you just use your Rapid Fire and Explosive Shot to fastpush the wave, then run back to your turret. again and again. then wait for 3 items to melt everybody.

SbsBraavos6 votes

How can u claim to have 100% winrate with her if u have only played 1 game according to lolking? That's the most ridiculous argument i've ever heard. I had 224 Trist Games last Season with 54% winrate, 312 Jinx Games with 59.3%. Yet Tristana was cried about and nerfed? Her Midgame damage was one of the lowest of any adc, and again her jump had plenty of counterplay. All her damage is single target, and usually the only person she can focus is the tank, so until the tank dies she has no reset, and even a simple snare could get her back to ground mid air. Her jump is nothing compared to for example Ezreals e. Now they took away all her damage so she will never be able to kill that tank and get the resets to clean up the fight. I don't know why people always think something, that jumps around is op, when statistics clearly say it's not. Trists highest winrate that she ever had was like 53%. There are plenty of champions right now, that have more than that. I just wish patch 4.10 never happeneded and she never became popular. Because she was exactly the same before, she just didn't have a buildpath as good as now.

ChaoticPinecone1 votes

claim to have 100%? i DO have 100%. show me where my numbers say anything less than 100% win rate on tristana last season.

and nobody thinks the jump is OP - its strong, but only because any reset is strong. its having a corki-style escape and a lee sin-style knockback that was the problem. especially on a squishy champion who scaled so well into lategame.

im glad you enjoyed your freelo. because old trist and jinx arent constantly being complained for their damage, right? /sarcasm

SbsBraavos1 votes

U HAVE ONLY 1 GAME PLAYED! I don't know if u ever had math or anything but winning one game is definitly not a relevant statistic. I don't play those champs for freelo, there is no such thing as freeelo, I play them, because they are fun to me.

ChaoticPinecone1 votes

did i claim to have a statistically significant number of games played? nope. i just said "i have a 100% win rate on trist" - which is true. theres no denying it buddy.

I HAVE A 100% WIN RATE ON TRIST IN SEASON 4. if you dont like the truth, thats your problem.

Hinro Honato7 votes

So is the phrase still olaf'd or is it tristana'd now?

MumbosMagic6 votes

They took away your freelo and now you're upset.

r11na9 votes

Pretty sure if he was after freelo he'd just play Jinx, who was and still is as more freelo than Tristana.

junglerboy165 votes

She doesn't need much to be honest, they just need to revert the passive nerf (which they still never explained the reason for), buff Q's AS to something meatier, like 50/75/100/125/150% (there's that "window of strength" Riot is so keen on having), and buff E's damage to 70/90/110/130/150 (+70/80/90/100/110% Bonus AD) (+50% AP) Max 140/180/220/260/300 (+140/160/180/200/220% Bonus AD) (+100% AP). Also, buffing her base AS to something like 0.674 up from 0.656 would help her out a lot too.

Right now, Tristana is the single lowest damage ADC in the game (Even counting Urgot), and in the bottom half of every other metric except how often she dies. Basically, all Tristana is good for right now is not dying, and as a supposed ex-hypercarry, that is a big problem

AxlStream4 votes

Am I the only one having no issues winning game with the new Tristana? I shred towers even faster than before and priming the E in lane makes sure I win almost all trades.

ƒoes3 votes

jinx has similar resets

Explain?

ChaoticPinecone4 votes

she can cover roughly around the same distance in the same amount of time. and since tristana can still be cc'ed/interupted during her jump, it might as well just be a fast run with a little bit of damage.

Ariel the Cruel2 votes

Jinx has no resets. I thank that was the point.

ChaoticPinecone2 votes

it might not be called a reset, but it functions as one. a kill or assist refreshes the cooldown on the ability.

getting kills or assists reprocs the passive. that is the functional equivalent of a reset. similarly katarina doesnt have the word "reset" in any of her abilities. getting kills or assists just lowers her cooldowns by 15s, making it the basic function of a reset on 3 of her abilities. same thing with new ryze.

BoxOfDOG3 votes

Played Tristana far through Season 3 (On another account) and continued playing her all the way through Season 4..

When her rework came out, I was SUPER excited. Finally a visual update to make her more visually interesting and thematically consistent.. Instead we got that and a gameplay rework.. A gameplay rework she did not need. Well, maybe, I'm kind of on the fence about that one.

Anyway, back to my point. They nerfed every stat and every ability. They've made my BY FAR FAVORITE CHAMPION into someone I can't confidently play because I'll just get outscaled, and stomped into the ground by other players.

Jinx's kit is virtually untouched except for the minimum damage of her ult, which so far hasn't showed any truly profound effect. I used to be able to stomp Jinx.. It was laughably easy to crush that champion into the ground back when Trist was top dog.. But now she's just kinda.. Meh.

FalconPawwwwnch3 votes

No, Jinx needs nerfs

Tristana can get buffs when she has actual counterplay

originary913 votes

Jinx is easier to deal with because she's immobile, Tristana is just bloody obnoxious since she had a huge jump and the best single target knock back in the game. So yes, by all means Jinx should push faster, have greater range, and better AS because if Tristana was equal, or even near equal in those aspects, then she'd be bloody broken. People banned her because she was obnoxious and relatively easy to play, and having a evolved Kha Zhix jump on an ADC from level 3 is just retarded.

Tristana was gutted for good reason, and I'd hate to see her buff. Riot could buff Jinx next patch and I wouldn't really give a shit because she has definable weaknesses and doesn't have an easy lifeline, if they did the same for Tristana/Kalista then I'd have something to say.

Rinky Dinky2 votes

People are really over exaggerating with tristana.

She's played in lcs for a reason . If she was 100% mediocre and awful at everything, she wouldnt be played at all.

And tristana was considered OP for all of season 4. She was an instant win. Strong laning phase that transitioned into the best hyper carry in the game by far.

Nilok10 votes

She was 71.4% horrible and lost 5 of her 7 games in NA Round Robin and never played in the Brackets.

The reason people in LCS picked her was they thought she would be the hyper carry from mid season 4 and to mess with the other team. She was not, she was just crap. Just picking a champions is one thing, winning with said champion is how you prove the merit of your choice.

Check my other replay for a better breakdown on how bad she was.

The Bíg Ticket1 votes

I want to play Warwick in ranked again...no one gives a fuck about him.

Sirin Gioro1 votes

Pre-rework Tristana is best Tristana. Now she's trash tier, the only thing she has is the jump reset. Oh, and look at this:

Before http://static.eclypsia.com/images/lol/champions/Tristana_Splash_0.jpg

After http://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/img/champion/splash/Tristana_0.jpg

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Ariel the Cruel1 votes
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Sirin Gioro1 votes

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Ahurath1 votes

The thing is that they buffed her E atleast the towersieging part of it. SO now they can't just give her back her old basestats without nerfing that abillity.

If they do she will be the most broken adc there is today.

Veraska1 votes

tristana still has a knockback and an escape unlike jinx, jinx does what tristana does better arguably but with way less self peel

tristana needs some love but making her a super long range hyper carry with crazy attack speed again is not the way to do it

Meep Man1 votes

On the PBE they are making the Explosive Charge cool down reduction during Rapid Fire be doubled to 1 second when attacking a tower as well as champions. Not sure if that is enough however.

I like the direction they are bringing her as a Tower Buster however. It gives her identity unlike her old "God of Late Game" identity which was kind of contested and not entirely unique.

Leblancs Boob1 votes

I fail to see how Trist is considered a "bad" Jinx when she has high mobility and amazing self peel at the same time on an ADC. Old trist was pretty broken considering how incredibly high her base AA ranged was late game while being impossible to reach because of her mobility and self peel which made her absurdly safe. She seems to be in an okay spot now.

CantReleaseYet1 votes

Shouldn't Tristana's W do damage on the area she jumped from?, since... you know, she shot a rocket there to jump from it...

WolfChases1 votes

Every single time I play Tristana or Kog'Maw I feel like I am playing on a Slow Motion.... While Jinx can easily be on LSD after a single item.

Tristana just feels so clunky.

BestTristMyHaus1 votes

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Please make her a hypercarry again, because at the moment she is just nothing. Mediocre early, mediocre midgame, medicore lategame, lowest base AS, no longer longest range, Jinxs pushes towers faster, jinx has more range, jinx has better early mid and lategame, jinx has similar resets, jinx has more lane presence. Yes , I used to be a Tristana Main, but now Im a jinx main, because she is what comes closest to her, and I actually want to climb in ranked.

You answered your own question. I'm convinced that Trist was gutted because gypsylord Rito loves Jinx and wants her to see more play. All the explanation I've seen for Jinx's VERY MINOR nerf to her ult reads like "Jinx is awesome, and she should be awesome, we're giving her a small adjustment so that the team that doesn't get her will stop complaining and STFU".

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