let's talk about udyr.

TheMightyLamp··5 votes·2,394 views

have you ever played league of legends? (of course, that's the reason you're here) well then surely, wait no, MAYBE you've come across an udyr. udyr is, in my opinion, the most broken champion in the game. you thought you were getting away at level 5 with 600 hp from that udyr gank? nope! here he comes from behind your turrets with a stun that lasts god knows how long and a bunch of auto attacks that deal over 200 damage per each one. and thought you were going to easily pick up a kill on him? nope! here he comes again with a broken stun and here he is attacking you so hard that you die before you could even do anything. thought you could get your team grouped up to kill him? nope! he's gonna flash onto your adc, one shot him, and peacefully run away with his e that gives him 1000 movespeed.

udyr needs a nerf, a BIG nerf, maybe even a rework, because he's so broken that i instantly dodge each time i see an udyr, and i'm permabanning him at this point. (some of this was over exaggerated, but you get the point, udyr is busted as fuck and needs a huge nerf.) [zombie-nunu-bummed]

15 Comments

Mountain Warden1 votes

There's no doubt he's God tier in the jungle. Somehow people have at times forgotten about Udyr despite him always being a great pick. I think it has to do with the fact that he's one of the only champions in the game with zero range abilities which makes people nervous. But I wouldn't call him broken. He's got clear weaknesses in the form of no range. And if he's building damage and blowing you up 1v1, he will loose on the long run since your ADC can return the favor and melt him from a distance. Strength wise, he's where he should be given how much damage and mobility is available in the game at the moment.

DuskDaUmbreon2 votes

Lmao what. What ADC is going to melt him from a distance? He just runs at them at twice their MS and then bursts the fuck out of them.

There is nothing an ADC can do to escape an Udyr after laning phase is over, simply because they're not hiding under a turret at all times then.

Of course there are exceptions to be made if the Udyr is a fucking retard and constantly runs into Cait traps, or the ADC has 2+ tanks. But in a 1v1 Udyr autowins because it's literally impossible for the ADC to do anything to him.

OmManiPadmeHum1 votes

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Lmao what. What ADC is going to melt him from a distance? He just runs at them at twice their MS and then bursts the fuck out of them.

There is nothing an ADC can do to escape an Udyr after laning phase is over, simply because they're not hiding under a turret at all times then.

Of course there are exceptions to be made if the Udyr is a fucking retard and constantly runs into Cait traps, or the ADC has 2+ tanks. But in a 1v1 Udyr autowins because it's literally impossible for the ADC to do anything to him.

Every ADC has ways to escape.

Ashe perma slows Draven knockback and crits for days Ezreal Slows and teleports for days Jhin snares and slows non stop Jinx Traps and zap Kaisa dont even get me started. OP. Kalista passive lawls MissFortune AOE slow. Her and Varus are probably the weakest vs an udyr Caitlyn Traps and that range

and so on.

DuskDaUmbreon1 votes

Ashe's MS will still be significantly lower than an Udyr's even with the maximum slow she has being permanently applied to him.

Draven's knock back isn't near strong enough.

Ezreal has no innate slow. He can go Glacial Augment and be basically useless, or he can go Iceborn Gauntlet and lose out on a lot of damage because he can't use Trinity for shit now.

Jhin's snare and slows aren't enough to out-run Udyr, lmao.

Jinx's traps have an insane cooldown. She'll get away if she's just gotten a kill, sure, but not otherwise.

Kai'sa being OP/UP isn't relevant to this (Also she has a 50% winrate right now because of nerfs, anyways). End-game Kai'sa might be able to beat Udyr 1v1 if she outplays him, but she only needs to fuck up once (or Udyr just has to have flash) and she dies. She won't be able to out-run him, though.

Kalista hasn't been viable for ages. And I don't think she actually jumps faster than Udyr runs.

MF's slow? Lmao that's not enough. It's one AoE slow. Udyr just has to go through it or around it.

Cait's traps are insanely easy to avoid unless she's pulling you through narrow areas where you can't avoid them. She might get away from him if running straight down a lane, but, like for Kai'sa, she only has to fuck up one trap placement (since it has both a placement delay and needs to prime) and Udyr will catch her.

You want the full list of champions that can actually escape Udyr? Here it is:

  1. Sion, because of his ult.
  2. Yasuo, if he has a perfectly lined up set of minions for him.
  3. Irelia same as Yasuo, except replace "he" and "him" with "she" and "her".
  4. Evelynn because of W and R, and because she gets Relentless Predator. She'll keep even with him.
  5. Fiora Same as Irelia, but she has to W his stun as well.
  6. Zilean because 99% slow/speedup.
  7. Quinn because Predator+Youmuu's+Ult can push you over 900 MS. A Karma shield on top of that pushes you over 1100 MS.
  8. Kled IF he sees Udyr coming in time to ult away.

There you go. All of them.

Everyone else who beats him in a 1v1 does so simply because they stat-check him.

OmManiPadmeHum1 votes

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Ashe's MS will still be significantly lower than an Udyr's even with the maximum slow she has being permanently applied to him.

Draven's knock back isn't near strong enough.

Ezreal has no innate slow. He can go Glacial Augment and be basically useless, or he can go Iceborn Gauntlet and lose out on a lot of damage because he can't use Trinity for shit now.

Jhin's snare and slows aren't enough to out-run Udyr, lmao.

Jinx's traps have an insane cooldown. She'll get away if she's just gotten a kill, sure, but not otherwise.

Kai'sa being OP/UP isn't relevant to this (Also she has a 50% winrate right now because of nerfs, anyways). End-game Kai'sa might be able to beat Udyr 1v1 if she outplays him, but she only needs to fuck up once (or Udyr just has to have flash) and she dies. She won't be able to out-run him, though.

Kalista hasn't been viable for ages. And I don't think she actually jumps faster than Udyr runs.

MF's slow? Lmao that's not enough. It's one AoE slow. Udyr just has to go through it or around it.

Cait's traps are insanely easy to avoid unless she's pulling you through narrow areas where you can't avoid them. She might get away from him if running straight down a lane, but, like for Kai'sa, she only has to fuck up one trap placement (since it has both a placement delay and needs to prime) and Udyr will catch her.

You want the full list of champions that can actually escape Udyr? Here it is:

  1. Sion, because of his ult.
  2. Yasuo, if he has a perfectly lined up set of minions for him.
  3. Irelia same as Yasuo, except replace "he" and "him" with "she" and "her".
  4. Evelynn because of W and R, and because she gets Relentless Predator. She'll keep even with him.
  5. Fiora Same as Irelia, but she has to W his stun as well.
  6. Zilean because 99% slow/speedup.
  7. Quinn because Predator+Youmuu's+Ult can push you over 900 MS. A Karma shield on top of that pushes you over 1100 MS.
  8. Kled IF he sees Udyr coming in time to ult away.

There you go. All of them.

Everyone else who beats him in a 1v1 does so simply because they stat-check him.

Out of 141 champs, you think ONLY 8 can get away from an udyr? LOL. Being that Udyr is my main jungler...I'll tell you everyone that can get away with ease.

Akali Shroud and ult away Amumu Q's to Anything over a wall. Congrats, udyr is useless Anivia Lol. walls and slows. nice try udyr AurelionSol Slows and flys over anything. gl catching him even IF udyr has flash up. Camille hits a W for the slow then E's over any wall. Diana Q, ults over walls DrMundo Ult is on like a 30 second timer...he pops that...good luck. Ekko dashing over walls. If udyr happens to have a flash to chase, ekko just ults back over the wall again. Fizz Tricksters over wall, dashes through slim walls.

You know what...that's just 9 (beating your 8 already) and I have only gotten to the F's in the list of all 141 champs.

Basically, ANYTHING with a wall jump can get away and udyr is screwed.

So no...it's not just 8...its like 75% of the whole current champ pool that have means to get away from udyr. Trust me..I play it and it gets annoying. Yeah if they blew a long CD and I caught them at the right time with their pants down and they happened to also not have flash up...then yes, its easy to run them down. But that happens SO infrequently if they are playing smart and warding. It's not like an Udyr can just pop out of nowhere like a Kayn or Fiddlesticks and blast you. You have to be mega derp'ing it to not notice Udyr coming.

Nine Realms1 votes

I Agree that udyr needs nerf

His cooldowns on his abilities are just funny, and need a huge increase.

Also the stun should be removed and replaced with slowdown to make it a bit more playable against him.

OmManiPadmeHum1 votes

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I Agree that udyr needs nerf

His cooldowns on his abilities are just funny, and need a huge increase.

Also the stun should be removed and replaced with slowdown to make it a bit more playable against him.

This response clearly shows you don't get Udyr's kit. His Cooldowns need to be lowered. His only fighting is stance dancing. And 90% of the game, you only ever use 3 of his 4 skills because you are either maxing Tiger or Phoenix. So, Udyr is a champ with HIGH mana usage, high CD's (until levels and Trinity Force is bought) and kited easily. The only lane he IS good in is jung because of blue buff. If you don't have blue buff, your mana is GONE in about 5 stance switches....and you need to have swapped to three in order to activate Aspect of the Monkey. Forget about ever having that up in lane without a blue buff.

I agree with you that he might need a rework, but his kit is unique and should stay similar. He needs buffs imho. Nothing has changed other than items.

dunder kill1 votes

Just because you got smashed by an Udyr last game doesnt mean hes the most broken champ in the game. You were even playing Jax. How do you lose a 1v1 to Udyr as Jax?

TheMightyLamp1 votes

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Just because you got smashed by an Udye last game doesnt mean hes the most broken champ in the game. You were even playing Jax. How do you lose a 1v1 to Udyr as Jax?

exactly.

dunder kill1 votes

What?

TheMightyLamp1 votes

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What?

udyr>jax, even though jax is a "counter" to udyr

dunder kill1 votes

Jax doesnt lose to an Udyr 1v1 unless you misplay hard af or hes just very fed. Just sack up and admit you had a bad game and played poorly.

Tesladin1 votes

I disagree that he needs nerf.

But I found him very strong at one point, he is easy to play and doesn't need many items to be both tanky and deal lots of damage. He is probably the best ganker who has no gap closer.

Gabresol1 votes

He just needs an adjustment. They pumped too much damage into the tiger stance, and the phoenix stance only exist if you want to use nimbus

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