Why is Pantheon's shield stronger than Brawm's shield?

ChouCi·Mar 6, 2020·1 votes·4,518 views

I feel that, logically, Brawm's shield should make HIM invulnerable in the front, while Pantheon's shield just reduce the damage. Please, enlighten me if I'm heavily mistaken. I think these two abilities should've been swapped.

Edit: If this topic has been compared/covered before, link the forum discussion. I just couldn't find it using keywords such as, "Brawm's shield", "Pantheon's shield", "Brawm vs Pantheon".

P.S. I'm reminded of how Blitz has to slow down because he "overheats" after boosting himself but old Nunu was able to perma boost himself.

36 Comments

iiGazeiiMar 6, 202012 votes

Ugh, this has been gone over countless times.

Braum's shield will intercept projectiles, while Pantheon's shield only blocks things that hit him. If you go to autoattack the person behind Pantheon, his shield won't stop it. If you try to block a piercing projectile, Pantheon's shield will let it through.

Pantheon is slowed with his shield up. Braum gets faster with his shield up.

Braum's shield has a shorter cooldown, 4 seconds shorter at rank 1, down to 6 seconds shorter at rank 5. The mana cost is also lower.

Braum's shield lasts longer, even compared to Pantheon's empowered shield.

Braum is overall tankier and more mobile than Pantheon, so blowing his shield isn't a big deal. Pantheon's shield is his only defensive cooldown. He's made of cardboard without it.

In short, Braum's shield is much better at protecting his teammates from damage. His shield is selfless. Pantheon's shield is selfish. He only protects himself.

only lucianoMar 6, 20202 votes

So why is Yasuo's windwall the best "shield" in the game?

ScrybleMar 6, 20205 votes

Likely because it's attached to a high-damage squishy hypercarry melee ADC compared to a low-damage tanky support with a lot of cc.

RyzeReworkMar 6, 20201 votes

Well I mean yasuo windwall doesn't effect melees but braums does so...

Ariel the CruelMar 7, 20201 votes

1: Yasuo is a CertainlyT champion. 2: because it was first, and it seems to be one of the few features that power creep downward. 3: it's immobile. 4: it, like the shield, lets him survive being a squishy melee glass cannon. . . 5: It's supposed to be used to let him semi-isolate targets - letting him blow people up in melee without getting blown up by range. 6: It doesn't apply any actual damage reduction. 7: Yasuo is a CertainlyT champion.

BronzsuoMar 7, 20201 votes

it a shield that can play around. He is very vulnerable to gank. His shield can't do shit vs any melee champion. Let just say a jg gank him and his opponent Veigar box him in a cage... What he gonna do with that shield?

Ariel the CruelMar 7, 20201 votes

Let just say a jg gank him and his opponent Veigar box him in a cage... What he gonna do with that shield?

Block Vieger's ult and Q, since wind wall has a longer duration? ;p

BronzsuoMar 8, 20201 votes

Yea see, any relevant jg would have some sort of CC and while you are being CC, the Veigar can move around your wind wall and butt fuck you with his combo. Worse, if his jg has a "Shift" CC, you will get pushed into the Veigar wall and start your death streak.

RequiemsfireMar 6, 20205 votes

It's simple, they serve two different purposes, Pantheon's doesn't block projectiles, and Braum's does.

Super SandmanneMar 6, 20203 votes

Pantheon's shield is a shield. Braum's shield is a door

mirAcIeMar 6, 20202 votes

Pantheon's rework came sooner than Braum's release therefore he gets the stronger ability.

The SaitamaMar 6, 20201 votes

{quoted}

Pantheon's rework came sooner than Braum's release therefore he gets the stronger ability.

braum was first, u r on drugs

Kai GuyMar 6, 20208 votes

From the context of the comment this guy is trying to say as panthy was reworked more recently he gets to be more OP because this poster apparently believes that New = More op = Power creep.

Spaceman71Mar 6, 20202 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kai Guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TGugzGAy,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2020-03-06T11:35:34.850+0000)

From the context of the comment this guy is trying to say as panthy was reworked more recently he gets to be more OP because this poster apparently believes that New = More op = Power creep.

Well, he's not entirely wrong about power creep in general, but that's certainly not the issue here.

mirAcIeMar 6, 20201 votes

Ah yes, I forgot that boards is full of Riot apologists. Even when you have multple examples of recent champions/reworks getting much more powerful abilities than their older counterparts.

Kai GuyMar 6, 20201 votes

And selectively I could easily go over old abilities that would be pretty insane in the modern meta.

I don't give a shit how people feel about riot. Just have solid logic and be reasonable. To act like Older champions are unviable or universally weaker is silly.

Ariel the CruelMar 7, 20202 votes

And selectively I could easily go over old abilities that would be pretty insane in the modern meta.

96% dodge chance Sivir anyone?

Or how about we make TF ult a basic ability?

[slayer-jinx-wink]

Kai GuyMar 7, 20201 votes

50% damage reduction as part of a passive?

On hit auto rest with triple scaling. (%hp ad and ap) apply on hit and makes hybrid damage? With quick CD?

Free ad and free armor and ms steroid?

Gap closer and displacement and damage and a stun?

8 seconds of tower, immunity. A 40% Damage amp. Also ignore all cc and damage from 80% of the enemy team?

All this and on a champion that was considered Weak at the time.

Gee... Almost... Like numbers matter more then the amount of "ands" you can throw into a description of a kit.

Ariel the CruelMar 7, 20201 votes

Hm.... I wonder who that could have been . . .

[poppy-wink]

Ooh! What about that time you could clone an ally, stats and all, and pseudo-revive them if they died? Pairing that with the ability to clone a slain enemy made for hilarious team fights. . . (>_>)

Oh, I've got a tiny idea. How about an execute that scales of Enemy stats! That does come up a tad short though. ;p

mirAcIeMar 6, 20201 votes

hey boards user, pantheon received his VGU much sooner than braum was released, you can easily look this up online without me correcting your wrong correction

Kai GuyMar 6, 20201 votes

With the context of a timeline "sooner" = older. Example. Fish evolved legs sooner then humans made it to the moon.

You would want to say "recently."

Kai GuyMar 6, 20201 votes

Because panth had a damage blocking shield and they wanted to give him something functionally similar.

The SaitamaMar 6, 20202 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kai Guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TGugzGAy,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2020-03-06T11:36:32.237+0000)

Because panth had a damage blocking shield and they wanted to give him something functionally similar.

his old passive as a shield was much better

Kai GuyMar 6, 20201 votes

I think his new ones a bit better inside the context of mid and late game thou.

The SaitamaMar 6, 20201 votes

just revert pantheon and everyone would be happy

A1lakuMar 6, 20202 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Saitama,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TGugzGAy,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2020-03-06T12:08:21.490+0000)

just revert pantheon and everyone would be happy

He's one of the least troublesome releases in a while btw.

Gashru1Mar 6, 20201 votes

The reason being he's so bad, that he got forced to be a support, instead of lane bully top side. His win rate's are trash tier in all roles played except support. His best win rate is 53% as a support with 0.70% pick rate.

https://gyazo.com/70a22fc52009e2959040919cea9f6c76

Ahri BakaMar 6, 20201 votes

Huh , he had 100% ban rate in last worlds , and was extremely troublesome in pro play and very strong in solo q.

Gashru1Mar 6, 20201 votes

Strong in solo q with a negative win rate... ye ok.

Ahri BakaMar 6, 20201 votes

51% isn't negative , it's high.

Gashru1Mar 6, 20201 votes

His only high win rate is support. His average win rate from all position is around 46-47% how's that high? The only reason his win rate is decent because he's hardly ever picked.

https://champion.gg/champion/Pantheon/Top

Ahri BakaMar 7, 20201 votes

https://euw.op.gg/champion/pantheon/statistics/top

Gashru1Mar 7, 20201 votes

Op.gg is not even worth looking at in terms stats. So again you're wrong. Their sample size is way to small.

Mr DallowayMar 7, 20201 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Saitama,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TGugzGAy,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2020-03-06T12:08:21.490+0000)

just revert pantheon and everyone would be happy

I would not be happy. Old Pantheon was OK but I love the rework.

Nea104Mar 6, 20201 votes

Because the people working over there cannot make a proper tank in their game.

It's the same for Tahm's passive and Pyke.

Disgusting.

Exodus247Mar 7, 20201 votes

I think like braums shield is a sort of mobile windwall, and panth is a one direction master y q, without the bouncing to targets, and instead of untargetable its just a pure dmg block (kind of like fioras riposte, but mobile, if you think about it) . Its actually just his old passive put onto an active ability, but instead of blocking one auto, its about a fizz e duration of blocking dmg from a single direction. He still can be ccd, like braum, only difference is he doesnt take the dmg, but is slowed if hes trying to run, and the actual dmg of the ability is garbage compared to old e, and is pushed into the shield bash at the end, and if you are actually using it defensively, chances are you wont get the bash in.