Counter lux with the new talon

Abyss Wings·Dec 2, 2016·3 votes·4,189 views

Her snare was really annoying,it was the main reason why i fed her and i honestly fed alot plz dont call me noob or anything i just wanna know how can i defeat her Thank you from advance

28 Comments

RivuoDec 2, 20164 votes

Honestly lux can stomp anyone in lane i think if shes landing her Qs. The biggest thing is dodging her Q then she should be free meat after.. Work on sidestepping

SpongebobIsLifeDec 2, 20162 votes

Yeah this is pretty much it. Rushing a hexdrinker will also help you from being bursted down, but as long as you can dodge her q, you have more kill potential than she does. Also, it's not a bad idea to just shove the wave in and roam constantly.

Dabrick01Dec 2, 20162 votes

I'm sorry, but if you can't dodge her snare, that will be it. She has massive range over you.

The best thing to do is to take summoner 14 summoner 4 and then take W first and Q second. You need to abuse his level two to get a kill on her. Talon has THE best level two in the game stats wise. You need to be keeping up or ahead of her in level. You can also surprise her by wall jumping, but you need to be careful, you may get snared. Abuse his level two to get a kill and then poke. Once you have uti, try to bait her snare out, and then go in for the kill.

If Lux uses her snare to CS. You have to IMMEDIATELY punish her. She doesn't have her snare up and can't outtrade you unless you are behind.

I know her snare sucks, but you will just have to dodge it or eat her dmg. Unlike other assassins, item 3156 works on him and item 3814 is good too. I would start. item 1036 and item 2031 . Then on your first back, get item 2033 and a item 1033 which you can build into item 3155 or .

AstôlfoDec 2, 20161 votes

If Lux uses snare to CS, she's fucking stupid and trash at Lux. Level 2 cheese is irrelevant when she outranges you at all parts of the game easily and won't get in range for you to do that. She goes E-Q. You try to dash, she point-blank guarantees a Q snare. Congratulations, you lost like a quarter or more of your health from Q-auto-passive-TLD-E.

Dabrick01Dec 5, 20161 votes

Obviously she's trash at lux. But that does not change the fact that you should punish her for wasting her stun. Level 2 IRRELEVANT, the fuck is wrong with you? He has THE best level two in the game. If you can bait out her snare, at Level 2 you can easily kill her.

Let's say she does stun you and uses E. She won't do much damage at level 2. You can just power through and own her with your level two.

If you die to a Lux with the best level 2 in the game on your side, you are really bad at playing Talon.

AstôlfoDec 5, 20161 votes

The game is not balanced around shit players. It is also not a stun.

The only way Talon can do level 2 cheese is Q and BOTH W HITS. Lux should never be in range for that to happen in the first place. And even if she was, Talon cannot kill her level 2. Lux would Q point blank, shield, Flash if needed to avoid the W altogether, and then hit him back with her own passive.

Uh no, it means she's going to farm at range. If you think Talon has the best level 2 even slightly, you're high off your ass or a fucking idiot.

Dabrick01Dec 5, 20161 votes

Alright, I can see here that you take every word as it's literal meaning.

Also, you know little about how Lux or Talon even work.

If you get Level 2 W on lux, you're garbage. Talon can easily kill Lux at Level 2 if he can get past her SNARE. If he can get past her SNARE as well as letting her push up her lane, the Level 2 cheese is more than enough in the hands of a skilled Talon.

I have killed many a Lux as Talon in this way. I may not be #RANK1CHALLENGOURE, but I know my way around Talon and the Luxes I come across are mostly good. Talon is insanely easy to beat Lux with if you aren't garbage.

AstôlfoDec 5, 20161 votes

? And he's not going to get her into his Q range let alone avoid her snare with his dash and actually hit her with it. And Lux goes E-Q levels 1-2.

And you do realize she can easily freeze lane or manipulate wave to farm near her own tower?

And again, your anecdotes are worthless.

Dabrick01Dec 5, 20161 votes

Literally, if you dodge the snare, she is freelo.

Sure she can manipulate the wave, but if you are able to Level 2 cheese after dodging the SNARE, you can easily kill her.

What you're saying is only applicable to a 1v1 versus Bjergsen on Lux and a Level 10 Talon player.

AstôlfoDec 5, 20161 votes

Holy hell you are slow. She's not going to use her damn snare unless it's point-blank against an assassin.

KorilloDec 2, 20161 votes

Talon should really crush Lux in lane dodging her snare is easy with your dash...

AstôlfoDec 2, 20162 votes

Uh. Dashing towards her means you'll just get hit by it sooner. And she has FAR longer range and harass. She can whittle him down from a safe distance easily. And just farm at tower starting post-6, and then just Q point-blank.

KorilloDec 2, 20161 votes

Bait out her Q. If she never throws it, then you have an easy lane to farm in. If she does, you dash on her and chunk her out. easy game easy life.

AstôlfoDec 2, 20162 votes

Uh. And… you're going to do that how? She's still ranged against your melee. Talon's W is incredibly slow. Talon's Q damage is utter shit unless in melee range. She can outrange you by miles while farming still. You're going to be the one that suffers if you try to dash, considering she can just hold onto it until it's a certain hit (slowed by her E or CC'd or if you're mid-dash).

KorilloDec 2, 20161 votes

If she is constantly throwing out her E she is forced to push the lane, exposing her to ganks. Like I said, if she never throws her Q then you can just keep letting her push the lane and farm for free. If she throws out her Q you can easily dodge it and punish her for it. It's a pretty easy lane for talon really.

AstôlfoDec 2, 20162 votes

You're assuming Lux is constantly pushing. She can passively farm from range far easier and poke Talon endlessly from outside his range. And even if she does get ganked, her Q turns it back into a 1v1 she can easily retreat from.

KorilloDec 2, 20161 votes

As the talon player you can force her to push the wave if she is determined to poke you with her E...

http://i.imgur.com/QWrmEpi.png

Once talon hits 3 lux loses any trade even if she does hit her Q. The only time Lux actually has kill pressure is level 6+ and by this time Talon should already have a solid lead.

It's just absurd that people are struggling as Talon in this matchup. Ya Talon kind of sucks now with the rework but certainly not vs Lux.

AstôlfoDec 2, 20161 votes

And... how old is that? lmao

TyrekGoldenspearDec 2, 20161 votes

If she passively farms with E she'll go oom.

Her AA speed isn't optimal for farming under tower.

If she does this Talon can roam bot and get a double then come back and towerdive her with item 3814 to block the snare.

AstôlfoDec 2, 20161 votes

Uh, she can passively farm with her ranged autos. While Talon is melee. And she can use E if it even gets near her tower. The only fast waveclear Talon has is his W, which takes a fuckton of mana.

And it's like you think Talon could get a kill in bot against an intelligent botlane, let alone a double. And you realize she can just instant pop the shield with E and snare him anyways?

TyrekGoldenspearDec 2, 20161 votes

And you're assuming Talon and his team aren't intelligent. ;)

AstôlfoDec 2, 20161 votes

It doesn't take rocket science to ward and CC.

RivuoDec 2, 20161 votes

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Uh. And… you're going to do that how? She's still ranged against your melee. Talon's W is incredibly slow. Talon's Q damage is utter shit unless in melee range. She can outrange you by miles while farming still. You're going to be the one that suffers if you try to dash, considering she can just hold onto it until it's a certain hit (slowed by her E or CC'd or if you're mid-dash).

Yeah at this point its best to just use your flash to dodge it imo.

Big LincolnDec 2, 20161 votes

theoretically, depending on your position if she throws a snare you can Q towards a minion to either side of you (or backwards if it gets you out of range)

i still wouldn't play this matchup though, seems borderline unwinnable vs a good lux

AstôlfoDec 2, 20162 votes

Yeah, you can Q towards a minion, but then there goes your hope of ever getting in Lux's range.

Risk of FateDec 2, 20161 votes

Hug the minion wave and make sure there's a nice wall between you and her. A lot of times, when they're about to throw a Q or E, it's super telegraphed. High mana costs on shield and bubble means she's either going to try to whittle you down or go for an all-in.

The missle speed of Q is fairly slow and on a somewhat-longish cooldown which gives plenty of time to harass. If you do get hit by one of her spells, try to bait her forward as they may try to proc the passive for the additional damage.

Her low mobility means easy ganks if you can at least get her to move about halfway into the lane. It's pretty much a war of attrition and dodging the snare for the most part. Like I said, as soon as it's down, try to get some poke in where you can as after 6, it's almost guaranteed death if she manages to land one.

Zach SandwhichDec 2, 20161 votes

If you can't dodge the lux snare your pretty fucked tbh. She's going to outrange you and unless you can dodge the Q and E your not going to be having a fun time.

Abyss WingsDec 3, 20161 votes

Thank you everyone for your support(pun intended) i will try to apply what you all are advising me to do into the game Thank you for giving me your time