My first post after 5 years of reading the boards.

renrag27·Nov 29, 2017·228 votes·40,676 views

I wanted to take a moment to say thank you Riot.

Thank you for giving me a game that I have played exclusively for 5 years for zero cost with the exception of 50 dollars over the years to gift skins to my brothers.

Thank you for the loot box system. I now own over 20skins due to the introduction of loot boxes. I love that I can get skins now without spending any real money (I have always rerolled).

Thank you for giving me some compensation for my old runes and runes pages.

Thank you for always striving to innovate and improve your game and for being present on the same boards where people treat you like garbage for daring to makes changes to a game you allow people to play for free.

Thank you for creating Velkoz, the only champ I can play at a win percentage above 50%.

Thank you for creating a challenging but fun team based game that has brought my brothers and I closer through the years despite living on opposite ends of country.

Thank you for all the good work you have done through the years.

174 Comments

RiotSparkleNov 30, 201778 votes

Heya. I just wanna take a moment and personally thank YOU and also everyone else who is passionate enough about League to play the game & post here on Boards. Please keep telling us what you like and dislike, cuz we read it. Also keep posting in Memes & Games. The memes give me life. <3

PS - I also play with my brothers from across the country. I really love that games mean we basically talk every day, even though I'm like a million miles away.

Laughing FishNov 30, 201750 votes

Also keep posting in Memes & Games. The memes give me life. <3

I know that feel.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/015/725/eca.png

Pika310Nov 30, 201712 votes

Typical Ritoer. Cherry-picking a pandering fluff thread to respond to, whilst blatantly ignoring real glaring issues.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/Wepg7N96-oh-so-much-tenacity-everywhere

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/AnZYUfQy-do-not-let-that-sona-nerf-through

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/zIwfdEny-why-do-we-have-assassins-when-you-can-just-pick-j4

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/EEN5WLbk-the-people-got-better-argument

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/YU7wK2GP-first-win-of-the-day-and-orange-essence-problem

FairyfleurNov 30, 201710 votes

I assume because Riot Sparkle isn't on the gameplay team? Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm on mobile, but if they aren't on the gameplay/client team they can't really answer those issues.

Besides that, though, some of these are only about hate and not any actual discussion. Making a response is really hard because of that.

RiotSparkleNov 30, 201713 votes

I actually am on the Gameplay Systems team (the team still working on Runes at the moment), but I can't speak to things like champion balance. That's a different team, but even if it wasn't I probably couldn't give the in depth discussion folks are generally looking for on the subject when they post here.

There are actually a lot of people - programmers, artists, QA, etc - who work on these teams to help make cool stuff but couldn't necessarily have a super deep discussion about every related topic that comes up.

I deal mostly with the visual side of things - for instance before Runes I worked on the Elemental Dragon glyphs that show up in scoreboard or on the pit (yeah I'm the one who made Cloud Drake's symbol blue instead of white originally lol).

Often I can talk about basic principles on the game design side of things, but if you want to talk about something like say, the exact amount of MS that comes from Cloud Drake I'm gonna need to tap out. You wanna talk visual heirarchy, sprite sheets or alpha layers? You come to me. We can talk shop :)

EDIT: Oh, yeah also what Cactopus said below for the specific topics listed. This reply is more on the philosophical side of the Q I suppose lol

FouczNov 30, 20172 votes

can you please remove 3 template pages or make it so me setting a new page dont reset to default one when timer goes from 0 to 24 ? Please kind sir

RiotSparkleNov 30, 201711 votes

The page resetting thing is a bug we're working on right now. Sorry, I know it's really annoying.

Also we're eventually going to extend the "hiding" option for preset pages to champion select if you don't like seeing or using them. :)

FouczNov 30, 20172 votes

thank you <3

Illâoi Evê SiônNov 30, 20175 votes

Do you know if anyone is working on adding the Rune stats to the end of game stats? I know we have them in our match history, but it'd be quicker for consecutive games to have them there so we can adapt and compare.

RiotSparkleNov 30, 201713 votes

Yes! We're working on that now and targeting the 8.1 patch for adding Runes to end of game stats.

Completely agree, I think it's really important to have them in EoG so you can evaluate how the runes did in the game for you immediately after you finish it.

Illâoi Evê SiônNov 30, 20177 votes

Thank you!

RiotSparkleNov 30, 20179 votes

Np np!

ShadowScorpionXDec 1, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Sparkle,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=T5sZj9Ho,comment-id=00090001000000010000000000010000,timestamp=2017-11-30T19:09:56.757+0000)

Yes! We're working on that now and targeting the 8.1 patch for adding Runes to end of game stats.

Completely agree, I think it's really important to have them in EoG so you can evaluate how the runes did in the game for you immediately after you finish it.

I haven't done anything with my app in quite some time, but I'm wondering - is this data going to be in the developer API?

RiotSparkleDec 2, 20172 votes

Yes, should already be in there from what I understand because these stats are present in the client match history. :)

Altonius AmakiirDec 2, 20171 votes

Do you know if the bug where Nunu Bot is missing his lightning arm particles is at least noted? It's one of my favorite parts of the skin, and it's been so long since I've reported it that I'ts starting to feel like it hasn't been noticed yet. [zombie-nunu-tears]

RiotSparkleDec 2, 20172 votes

I don't work on skins so I actually have no idea. :c Someone like Riot KateyKhaos would be your best bet to ask.

SpârkyNov 30, 20178 votes

Why must people like you ruin a perfectly good discussion board.. like save your flame for your own posts. Nobody likes being accused of anything. They are doing the best they can regardless of what you think. But honestly, why must you post this in this board.. it saddens me to see the community so frustrated that they even attack rioters when they try to say something nice to people. Just saddens me.

Pika310Nov 30, 20172 votes

Because somebody has to hold Rito responsible for their misactions and I have the balls to be that person.

SpârkyNov 30, 20177 votes

Having the balls to do something vs being disrespectful are two different things. By speaking out in the way you do it sounds very disrespectful. I for one love holding riot accountable its what player bases should do. But complaining the game is awful and not stopping until you get your way is just the wrong way to do it. Riot can't answer every single board and if the OP is attacking riot why would they want to give that person fuel? People that hold riot responsible need to not attack them. Think about it from their perspective. Would you respond to someone who is attacking you that you are doing something wrong? No 99% of people would get defensive. So riot is doing the best thing and not provoking those people.

Pika310Nov 30, 20171 votes

Rito is being disrespectful to their customers. What I'm doing here, calling them out on that disrespect, is justified.

Rito **CAN **and **SHOULD **be answering every single board, especially the ones with the higher upvotes and view counts like the ones I linked.

The reason people attack Rito is **BECAUSE **Rito refuses to respond to customer complaints. **IGNORING **the problem is the **REAL **fuel. Complaints don't magically disappear if you cover your ears, they just become more frequent and louder. Rito is doing the worst thing and letting people's anger fester.

SpârkyNov 30, 20179 votes

Really does riot really owe us to answer EVERY single board? No they give us a free game to play and don't owe us that. Also, quite frankly I do see riot responding to customer complaints. As long as they aren't attacks on riot saying certain rioters should be fired, etc. I commend riot for responding to these boards. We take it for granted. Not every company does this customer interaction. It's not that riot ignores certain boards they read all of them. It's that they don't want to respond to the person essentially "yelling" at them because who would? Sure it would be nice of them to do it but odds are that person that is not ready to have a civil conversation over the boards obviously doesn't want to have a conversation but just wants to complain and yell at riot. Hence why they don't respond to them and I don't blame them. We as a community take so much for granted then are never satisfied with riot. Media is always so negative. Nobody ever talks about the good thing riot does and there are a lot of good things that they do. Why is that? Why is everyone so focused on the things that riot doesn't do correctly that we take away from the good things they do. It's just sad is all. Frustrates me that everyone only wants to target the negative. Riot has done a brilliant job with this game and no not everything is perfect but come on we need to stop targeting and attacking riot for the few things that they do wrong.

Pika310Dec 1, 20171 votes

“Your most unhappy customers are your greatest source of learning” - Bill Gates

It's the attacks and negative critique that are the most valuable for Rito to listen to. By blatantly ignoring complaints and making the same mistakes repeatedly, Rito is only creating more unhappy customers and more complaints.

If Rito actually listened and acted on problems brought forth to them by customers, they would have fewer angry complaints in the future. Their customers would be less likely to instantly jump to blame if they actually had positive interactions with Rito. The blame falls 100% on Rito for their constant flood of angry customers.

https://blog.marketo.com/2015/08/the-customer-is-king-5-inspirational-quotes-from-customer-centric-leaders.html

The steam lifeDec 1, 20175 votes

Not to say that quote isnt true but it sure isnt gospel. They give you a free to play game that is well made and people arent satisfied and whine because they dont have what they want. The difference is that bill gates' customers actually bought his product so he does owe them something and should look into their complaints. However if people are just throwing a pity party because they think riot is at their beck and call there is nothing they are required to do for you.

Pika310Dec 1, 20171 votes

“If you make customers unhappy in the physical world, they might each tell six friends. If you make customers unhappy on the internet, they can each tell 6,000” – Jeff Bezos (Founder and CEO, Amazon)

https://blog.marketo.com/2015/08/the-customer-is-king-5-inspirational-quotes-from-customer-centric-leaders.html

As a matter of fact, Rito is required to listen to customer complaints. Each angry complaint that goes unanswered is lost revenue from nth customers and potential customers. When those customers have negative interactions with Rito, that means nth more lost revenue once again.

This is ESPECIALLY **MORE **true because LoL is a free game. Customers aren't paying a subscription to play, there are no "real" pay-2-win features for players to take advantage of. Most of the visible profit comes from optional cosmetics, keyword: optional. Customers are allowed to hate Rito, hate League, inform their 10k Twitter followers of that hatred and still log on when their 4 buddies need a 5th. There's no pressure to buy the game, like Overwatch. No pressure to subscribe like WoW. Just a game they're allowed to hate and publicly express their hatred for without in any way hindering friends' desire to play as a group.

Dark InspDec 1, 20175 votes

You do realize that Riot doesnt HAVE to do anything because you want it to? That they dont HAVE to listen and reply to customers complaints. They can balance the game the way THEY want to, they can employ people THEY want, they can give projects to people THEY want. They give you the option to express your opinion if you want, but they are NOT obliged to answer it.

You do realize if YOU dont like the way Riot handles things, you can leave. Its your decision to play the game the way it is, if you dont like the game, go find the game you will like. Noone is ever forcing you to stay.

Pika310Dec 1, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dark Insp,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=T5sZj9Ho,comment-id=00090001000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-01T11:48:33.024+0000)

You do realize that Riot doesnt HAVE to do anything because you want it to? That they dont HAVE to listen and reply to customers complaints. They can balance the game the way THEY want to, they can employ people THEY want, they can give projects to people THEY want. They give you the option to express your opinion if you want, but they are NOT obliged to answer it.

You do realize if YOU dont like the way Riot handles things, you can leave. Its your decision to play the game the way it is, if you dont like the game, go find the game you will like. Noone is ever forcing you to stay.

"The customer is always right." - Harry Gordon Selfridge

Customers make a business, they're the ones buying goods/services. Without customers, a business cannot exist. Like you said, if I don't like what Rito is doing, I can leave. So can literally their entire customer-base. Each time Rito alienates a customer, that customer tells his friends and followers and Rito loses 6,000 customers.

Furthermore, blatantly ignoring customer complaints and especially publicly announcing that you're blatantly ignoring complaints, the way Cactopus admitted to committing, directly violates the common sense of business ethics and customer service. Choosing to ignore complaints just breeds more complaints. Angering your customers just leads to strained customer relationship.

http://winthecustomer.com/4-reasons-customer-always-right/

Dark InspDec 1, 20173 votes

See if you are quoting a guy from 1904, no matter how fancy it makes you sound, it doesnt mean the quote is still relevant nor that it ever even was.

A few quick reasons why customer ISNT always right.

1: It Makes Employees Unhappy

2: It Gives Abrasive Customers an Unfair Advantage

3: Some Customers Are Bad for Business

4: It Results in Worse Customer Service

5: Some Customers Are Just Plain Wrong

Even just putting "the customer is always right" in google will mostly throw you results how the customer is NOT always right.

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And one more thing, companies decide what they deem is best for them, what kind of business and customers they want.

No company can always satisfy ALL of their customers, and if some decision will mean they will lose some of the customers, that doesnt mean the decision was bad or that they didnt think this trough and knew some people will stop using their product because of it.

And guess what, they are OK with that.

RiotRiot CactopusNov 30, 201748 votes

So, let’s be real with each other here. The first three threads you linked are just random complaint posts about balance. If I were on the balance team, (I’m not) I’d probably read those to see what people thought, but there’s no way I’d let myself be baited into an argument with every single complaint thread. That’d be pointless.

The fourth thread is a discussion post aimed at other people in the community. I don’t know why you think it’s a scandal that no Rioter jumped in there. Nobody owes that thread a response, although it’s fine and well if somebody felt like going in there.

Now let’s talk about that fifth and final thread. Boy do I have some thoughts about it. Now, I actually am working with the team that made the new leveling and rewards systems, so I thought about responding to that one. But once I read it I couldn’t figure out how it managed to get upvotes. Look at this line in particular:

if you want to disenchant 975 skins it will take 8 of them to just get it and that's assuming you have the luck to get 8 975s and you don't get 750s

That’s straight up untrue. You get 20% of a skin’s value in orange essence when you disenchant skin shards. So it’s not true that it would take 8 975RP skin shards to get one skin.

So, I’ll be honest, I thought about replying to that thread, but the prospect just felt exhausting. When you guys upvote threads full of super aggressive rants or just misinformation, you shouldn’t expect Rioters to give time to it. I think we owe it to you guys to listen to what you have to say, especially when you’re being critical, but we aren’t required to make an appearance in every thread.

TL;DR: We read everything you guys post, and a lot of times we get really useful feedback from the boards, but I don’t think we owe a response to every single thread. Sometimes we don’t have an answer, and sometimes threads are just dumpster fires. Just sharing my honest perspective on it.

Mysticman89Nov 30, 201714 votes

Do you ever worry that some really constructive and fair threads are getting downvoted to oblivion and potentially unseen just because they aren't burning riot at the stake?

The whole downvote/upvote thing seems to get messy where some people use their votes as a "I like or don't like this" metric, while others use it as a "this is constructive or unconstructive" metric, so unconstructive or unreasonable things that people like get upvoted a ton, while completely reasonable thoughts on more controversial issues get downvoted a ton.

(The number of downvotes I've received in the past few weeks for pointing out that people get a min of 810 BE from level up capsules on threads complaining about getting less than 200 bothers me...)

RiotRiot CactopusNov 30, 201714 votes

Maybe, but we read comments just as much as threads themselves so we see downvoted ideas as well

Pika310Nov 30, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Cactopus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=T5sZj9Ho,comment-id=000900010002,timestamp=2017-11-30T15:48:56.821+0000)

So, let’s be real with each other here. The first three threads you linked are just random complaint posts about balance. If I were on the balance team, (I’m not) I’d probably read those to see what people thought, but there’s no way I’d just let myself be baited into an argument with every single complaint thread. That’d be pointless.

So let me get this right. You think that THIS is nothing more than a "random complaint post?" Rito has blatantly left Sona in an unbalanceable state for over 3 years now, with patch 4.13 as the OBVIOUS culprit. Players have been demanding a reasonable response to this for over 3 years now. I'd hardly call this complaint "random," if anything it's been a CONSISTENT complaint.

The only way you'd create an argument in that thread is if you yourself **intentionally **instigated the argument. You could tell people,"CertainlyT is aware of Sona's unplayability and planning an eventual rework that he will personally oversee." and players would be ecstatic to hear this. You could say,"Rito is contemplating a full revert back to her original pre-4.13 kit as a temporary fix until her 3rd inevitable rework." and the main inquiry would be,"When can we look forward to the revert?" You could even just tell us that you're handing Fearless a pink slip and we would at least know Rito is finally listening.

You have responses you could make that won't result in an argument, but instead you're choosing to outright dismiss a complaint 3+ years running as nothing more than "random?"

RiotRiot CactopusNov 30, 201731 votes

You could even just tell us that you're handing Fearless a pink slip and we would at least know Rito is finally listening.

You’re actually asking for a coworker to be fired here. Screw that. I’m not taking the bait, sorry.

Pika310Nov 30, 20173 votes

Why wouldn't I ask for this? His track record speaks for itself: he's never had a successful project that he worked on.

Sona rework? Massive failure, she disappeared from professional play as a result, even still to this day.
Season 5 jungle rework? It became nearly impossible for all, but less than a handful of champions to survive in the jungle. It took half the season to fix the jungle.
Season 6 jungle rework? Same as above, on a somewhat lesser scale.
Season 7 jungle rework? Jungle plants are still a heavily-debated topic.
Juggernaut rework? Even Meddler himself publicly admitted that this was an overall failure.

I would've let an employee go for just the season 5 jungle fiasco alone. Wizards of the Coast frequently fires entire teams of employees for far less than that. I believe Blizzard does as well. The fact he's consistently allowed to lead so many large-scale projects that have all resulted in long-lasting game-altering negative ramifications speaks very clearly for Rito's employee management.

RiotRiot CactopusNov 30, 201736 votes

Just stop, dude. Personal attacks like this don’t belong here.

NefasNov 30, 201711 votes

Can you give some context on how you think players should approach a situation where they think (for example) a particular designer tends to create designs that are unhealthy/unfun to play against?

RiotSparkleNov 30, 201723 votes

Okay this is my semi-rambling answer/opinion for your question (although I feel like ALL of my answers are semi-rambling lol).

One of the first things they taught me back when I was taking art classes was how to do art critiques. They're super important for improving your craft. We did weekly group critiques where 5-6 people would evaluate a drawing/painting/whatever (they made me take a lot of fine art stuff at the beginning lol) and talk about what you did well and what you could do better. Tbh it was often pretty brutal, but in a good way.

There were 2 rules that were strictly enforced for good critique sessions:

1.) Those offering critiques never made personal comments ("I've noticed you suck at perspective, Jackie"), they only could only talk specifically about the work ("The perspective looks a little off here where the horizon line meets the statue").

2.) Those receiving critique couldn't take comments on the work personally. You are not your work. You're not allowed to be butthurt when someone tells you honestly that they think the perspective is off in your painting. The fact that the perspective is off doesn't make you a bad person or a bad artist. Art's also fun because some things are wholly subjective ("The flowing shapes in your composition feel melancholy to me"), so you can also personally disagree with someone else's assessment. That was part of the agreement between critique-er and critique-ee. Critiquer will give feedback and opinion, critique-ee will actually listen and then decide if or what to do about it.

So to answer your question with that anecdote in mind, I think you can talk about the work and definitely the body of work for sure (I don't feel like champion X has good counterplay because reason Y. Champion Z also has this problem for reason K). As soon as you're pointing the finger at a particular team or dev though, you're making it personal (add to that the fact that the person you're pointing at may actually not be the right one necessarily, cuz we all do a lot of work collaboratively). This means you're not following rule #1 any longer and the person receiving the critique can't reasonably be expected to do #2 (if you're pretty practiced with critiques you actually probably can, but not everyone is).

TL;DR You can always critique the work and definitely the body of work. Themes you can see between champs or items etc. totally cool. Talking about a PERSON or PEOPLE is a different thing however, and moves away from the rules of reasonable critique IMO.

HellioningNov 30, 20175 votes

So we're allowed to say 'Yasuo is obnoxious to play against, as is Zoe, Thresh, etc.' but we're not allowed to say 'these champs are all designed by the same person, btw'?

Chromatic EagleNov 30, 201721 votes

I think at the very least saying that a person should be fired is a dick move.

RiotSparkleDec 1, 201715 votes

Yeah that's really the difference, innit?

"Yasuo is obnoxious to play against, as is Zoe, Thresh, etc." is a perfectly valid and respectful critique statement IMO (even better is "I feel" before that statement, making it clear that obnoxious to play against is your feeling specifically, which it is).

"Yasuo is obnoxious to play against, as is Zoe, Thresh, etc. fire CertainlyT" OR "Yasuo is obnoxious to play against, as is Zoe, Thresh, etc. CertainlyT is a complete idiot" are not.

(I actually think he's very smart, this is an example :D)

EDIT: Folks if your question has a name in it for a person or team OR includes a possessive pronoun (his, hers, their) you're doing it wrong lol

Chromatic EagleDec 1, 20172 votes

For a more grey example, could we say that his champions frequently have excessive features that make them difficult to balance?

HellioningDec 1, 20174 votes

So how is 'Yasuo is obnoxious to play against, as is Zoe, Thresh, etc. I really don't want him to make any more champions.'?

RiotSparkleDec 1, 201713 votes

That brings in the personal aspect again, albeit in a slightly nicer tone. For the art example I would say the equivalent is "The perspective is off in this painting. I really don't want to see more of your paintings"

You are allowed to say that (obviously haha), but I personally would not be comfortable directing the Rioter who worked on the work to a topic with that headline.

The distinction here that is you're allowed to say whatever you want and phrase things however you'd like and we will listen. That's our promise to you all. Mods don't remove topics unless they're against the rules, so anything posted here we will read.

But, if you wanna maximize your chances of a person who knows about the thing coming to talk directly, I think the critique rules are your best bet to bat signal "I'm here to actually have a productive discussion"

Crazy For JinxDec 2, 20173 votes

I know you rioters know this already but I wanted to say it anyways.

When you look at the boards and see all this hate, remember that for every one hater, there's dozens of lol players who love your work, it just unfortunately happens to be that aggressive toxic players have the need to post more.

Would it be a waste of time to pin a thread to the top saying, "we read all your comments, but we only respond when It's actual constructive feed back"? Or would it just turn out like this thread lol.

Impressed as always with rioters ability to stay level headed when faced with idiocy -Ethan

Glory ln DeathNov 30, 20174 votes

I believe that the "8 975 skins" is talking about how many 975 skins you need to disenchant in order to unlock a Legendary skin, not another 975 skin.

RiotRiot CactopusNov 30, 201716 votes

Ah, you might be right. Once I saw that the top comment in the thread was “you also get less key fragments now” (which is also not true) I noped out of that thread lol.

Sonic AdventureNov 30, 20178 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Cactopus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=T5sZj9Ho,comment-id=000900010002,timestamp=2017-11-30T15:48:56.821+0000)

When you guys upvote threads full of super aggressive rants or just misinformation, you shouldn’t expect Rioters to give time to it.

100% true. I really wish there weren't so many of those threads, and you guys didn't have to go through this huge dumpster to find the useful feedback. I admire you guys for your patience, honestly.

Please know that even if those threads get all the upvotes from the whiny ignorant players, the majority of us are not like that, just most of them are either not active in the boards or aren't even negative enough to downvote the bad threads.

I just don't want the trash feedback to affect this game just because it has that kind of representation in the boards.

RiotRiot CactopusNov 30, 201713 votes

It’s fine, we get feedback from lots of places, and we read just about everything on the boards anyway. I just wanted to explain why we don’t always respond to threads like the ones he linked.

LostFr0stNov 30, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Cactopus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=T5sZj9Ho,comment-id=000900010002,timestamp=2017-11-30T15:48:56.821+0000)

So, let’s be real with each other here. The first three threads you linked are just random complaint posts about balance. If I were on the balance team, (I’m not) I’d probably read those to see what people thought, but there’s no way I’d let myself be baited into an argument with every single complaint thread. That’d be pointless.

The fourth thread is a discussion post aimed at other people in the community. I don’t know why you think it’s a scandal that no Rioter jumped in there. Nobody owes that thread a response, although it’s fine and well if somebody felt like going in there.

Now let’s talk about that fifth and final thread. Boy do I have some thoughts about it. Now, I actually am working with the team that made the new leveling and rewards systems, so I thought about responding to that one. But once I read it I couldn’t figure out how it managed to get upvotes. Look at this line in particular:

That’s straight up untrue. You get 20% of a skins value in orange essence when you disenchant skins. So it’s not true that it would take 8 975RP skin shards to get one skin.

So, I’ll be honest, I thought about replying to that thread, but the prospect just felt exhausting. When you guys upvote threads full of super aggressive rants or just misinformation, you shouldn’t expect Rioters to give time to it. I think we owe it to you guys to listen to what you have to say, especially when you’re being critical, but we aren’t required to make an appearance in every thread.

TL;DR: We read everything you guys post, and a lot of times we get really useful feedback from the boards, but I don’t think we owe a response to every single thread. Sometimes we don’t have an answer, and sometimes threads are just dumpster fires. Just sharing my honest perspective on it.

Not trying to be bold, but thought I'd ask in case:

With the new tuning and stuff out, what's the average gain/loss for summoners comparing IP to BE? I've been doing math since the change and idk if it shakes out as positive for anyone playing more than 3 games per day. I do need to do more math again this patch though due to the first win changes, but I still don't think it evens out.

link to one summoner's worth of Math: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/zglZBrgg-5-times-in-a-row-value-of-capsule-is-less-then-1000-be?comment=000300000000000000000000

p.s. yes I made sure to use IP calculations from before the increased IP gain bug from 7.21.

p.s.s I have more math, but idk if you wanna go to sleep so early :P

LongHair FoxNov 30, 20172 votes

Riot posted some math regarding this, and show that unless you play more than 10 games a day, you get more with the new system, at least for unlocking champions.

LostFr0stNov 30, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=LongHair Fox,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=T5sZj9Ho,comment-id=00090001000200050000,timestamp=2017-11-30T17:29:53.178+0000)

Riot posted some math regarding this, and show that unless you play more than 10 games a day, you get more with the new system, at least for unlocking champions.

Yes, I'm aware. However, my math on several summoners' actual BE rates (game by game value) compared to pre 7.21 IP gains seems to indicate otherwise. Therefore I am asking directly.