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I need some clarification on New Players and Elo

Parallel Paradóx·12/14/2019, 10:13:06 AM·36 votes·15,385 views

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The time stamp is 51:57... almost an hour match. The cait's damage output was 5.5k. That's around 100 damage a minute.

Im not even mad at the cait who went 0/12/2 in a ranked match. We ended up winning through determination and focus.

My question is why/HOW are completely new players joining ranked and getting into gold+ elo games?

The last couple of games I've had several players admit they're new to ranked or have no clue what they are doing. Its extremely hard to give positive experiences in a ranked match when the person is unaware of the advanced things going on. Even with the team helping and trying to be as positive as possible.

How are players [who JUST hit 30( Or around 30)] Who have never played a ranked match to begin with, entering into games with people who are Gold+ Elo? Wouldn't that ruin the experience for new players? How fair would it be to play a game with people who are climbing into Gold/plat+ while you're just learning the game?

57 Comments

teto god supp12/14/2019, 10:15:53 AM12 votes

I just made a post that starts to rant about how people are forced to carry this type of player or they lose more LP than they can gain.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/general-discussion/rpV5gWue-the-lp-gainloss-is-extremely-messed-up-and-needs-to-be-fixed-ranked-rant

Its very unfortunate this happens so often, and really needs to be looked into.

Arammus12/14/2019, 12:37:49 PM11 votes

i didnt see the match but i highly doubt this is a new player. im 99% sure this is a troll who doesnt join any fights and only watches them from a distance to make others mad and get them to flame. basic 101 trolling.

RebeccaUCuber12/14/2019, 11:51:41 AM9 votes

I dont get why new Players have to start in gold, while older ones have to climb back a lot... Let them start Bronze/Silver...not in Gold when a lot of ppl just ruin games and takes ages to derank.

DuskDaUmbreon12/14/2019, 12:32:27 PM3 votes

I'm not seeing this match in your history. According to LoG, your last game in that queue was almost 300 days ago. The last non-bot match I'm seeing was 20 days ago.

Because of this, we can't see their actual rank. And, no matter their rank, this looks like they're afk. Even an Iron 1 would have a higher damage output. I can't say for certain, since you conveniently left out their level in game, their KDA, their CS, their name, and this game didn't even happen on your account, but that's what it appears to be.

How are players [who JUST hit 30( Or around 30)] Who have never played a ranked match to begin with, entering into games with people who are Gold+ Elo?

Because Gold 4 is about the midpoint right now. For reasons related to having an actually functioning MMR system, they have to start at the midpoint.

Dr Endeavor12/14/2019, 4:15:33 PM2 votes

I got flamed for asking why all accounts do not start at iron 4. The better players go up and the newer players swim around til they get better.... that’s my logic anyway. I don’t under stand this “let’s start them at silver with all these other people that know 10,000 times more game knowledge than them” mentality...

TheDelighted12/14/2019, 7:04:01 PM2 votes

I don't think it has to do with divisions as much as mmr. If Cait is unranked and her mmr is closer to yours, then the system is gonna think you share the same skill level and match you together. It happened many times to me, where I get a lot of wins in a row, and suddenly I'm matched against diamond 3s and 4s while I'm only gold and if I lose a lot then I'm against silver 1s and 2s. No one knows for sure how the system works cause rito kept the MMR system hidden so it can't be abused.

Sir Saltarin12/14/2019, 1:10:46 PM2 votes

That screenshot is from a 171 level account and yours is 138...

Something seems weird man. Post the OPGG of that game please so I can see it.

Mr Meeseeekz12/14/2019, 9:25:58 PM2 votes

They should really take into account player levels when matchmaking. A level 30 is no where near a level 300.

Düff McWhalen12/15/2019, 12:43:47 AM2 votes

Starting anyone at the middle of all MMR or whatever it is, is stupid. People should start full stop in the bottom of Iron and work their way up.

XPnut12/16/2019, 3:23:03 AM1 votes

I am glad its not only me. Its unranked players and silver 3 players that are sneaking into my high gold elo games and it is absolutely infuriating. I feel your pain.

CanonPrinterL9XD12/14/2019, 10:24:40 PM1 votes

Well youre lucky. Had an adc who dealt less PHYSICAL damage than soraka. And look where im now i get mad at those scum and flame. I got permabanned on my main becuase i flamed trolls in 3 different games

Nea10412/14/2019, 11:02:14 PM1 votes

Everytime I questioned their awful matchmaking, Rankeds or Normals, the answer has always been: "working as intended". After 3 years of constant decline, I hope they eventually start to do something about it.

Catastroclysm12/14/2019, 11:08:58 PM1 votes

Can confirm, when my ex started playing ranked she was consistently playing against high golds and low plats for quite a long time. It has been a deterrent to her since, which sucks because she's good enough to hit plat herself at this point imo.

Beacon Academy12/15/2019, 3:26:16 AM1 votes

Shouldn't unranked players start off with either other unranked players or irons/bronze players before working their way up?

This sounds like Riot setting new players up for failure by sending them into games where they'll get stomped in.

Jesus is Savior12/15/2019, 7:57:25 AM1 votes

So, I have 6 accounts. What Riot seems to be doing is this:

Your MMR starts gold. Your very first ranked game on a fresh account will be with/against golds
Your rank will be bronze. Your MMR and rank will not be close at all.
After your placements are over, you will get +33 (or more, I can't remember) on a win, and -5 (or less, can't remember) on a loss.

This is to force people to grind out more games to reach their true rank, because even if you're winning a lot it's still going to take 100-200 games for your rank to catch up with your actual MMR, and for your LP gains and losses to be the same rather than wildly different from each other. This is so people who "only play ranked" will play more, and hopefully spend more money. (While I did this on fresh accounts, it applies to "soft reset" accounts as well - just not to the same degree).

Riot doesn't care about ladder integrity or match quality. They just want you to grind and spend money.

ChiefDovahkin12/15/2019, 12:48:22 PM1 votes

It's because norms mmr is seperate from ranked. So an actual 'new' account can win like their first 2 iron provisional games, then play in gold elo or even higher in some weird cases due to their 100% wr. The problem is that this makes zero sense for norms mmr to be seperate. What other data is available to gage a player's baseline competitive performance? Bc of the ranked lock out until level 30, there is literally only norms. This system literally helps no one because smurfs who actually belong above their smurf account's elo will win regardless and climb.