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About Katarina (S8 & S7)

The Oni··2 votes·1,501 views

It has been a long time since i have ever written on forums or any kind of post for that matter but i've been wanting to see Katarina in my games (funny as that is) she is never really played and i don't think it is a coincidence that when the champion was reworked that people took a dislike to this version of Katarina Katarina just because she dosen't have the same feel as "The Sinister Blade" that she once was and its because there is a massive margin of error that is available ( In the form of counter playability ) lets take Leblanc le Blanc for an example she was reverted because she couldn't burst fast enough and had to wait for a damage timer to re-proc her passive and since that revert her win rate and play rate has increased durasticly that is without changing her numbers from what they once were, but the point i am trying to make is that Katarina Katarina and le Blanc have a similarity they both (in the tense of S7 LB) take to long to actaully burst a target and this makes Katarina Katarina's Play rate and win rate go down because there is a massive gap of counter playability that the player and sometimes the mechanics of the champion can increase the errors that are performed in a game, if she were to be reworked the win and play rate will increase exactly in contrast with le Blanc's statistics right now after the revert and the success the champion has in recent patches.

I know this means scrapping hard working individual's time in creating the concept for Katarina Katarina but the concept has a lot of flaws just like the le Blanc rework in season 7 but simply put the champion has been played less, less as the patches go on and its getting quite sad not to see Katarina in any game even in higher and lower elo games. Katarina Katarina's decrease in play rate and win rate is caused by the concept of the new version of her (don't get me wrong its cool and all visually being able to see the daggers on the floor) its just too easy to expect, work around in and out of lane also her team fighting has degraded over time as people have gotten more knowlage of what to do when they see Katarina.

But i hope i get a response from a Riot employee, many other players that understand what i mean and i also hope even the thought of her getting changed has entered some minds in the company. Thank you for reading my post [katarina-love]

13 Comments

Kyaza1 votes

i think one of the largest issues with old kat was that she was pretty feast or famine. she either inted or popped off, pre and post rework lb didnt have that issue, even when behind she was able to contribute. which i think is why riot felt they could revert it. not to mention lb rework was a lot smaller

The Oni1 votes

Yeah i understand what you are saying but "new" Katarina is very similar in the way that she can int or pop off just as the old one but that is not to say i completley agree with you on the fact that Katarina now is worse coming from behind then old Katarina ( Because they are both pretty bad at coming back from a rough start ) for an example a high elo team with a decent cc amount on it can shut down Katarina if she dosen't play it right either way they both have to worry about when to go in, what opportunities and rewards they are going to receive by doing it and most of all for new katarina where her daggers are going to land which is another factor in the error of counter play i was discussing about tho it brings more "skill" but the lower elo's and higher suffer from it because both players from different elo's have to worry about where the daggers are going to land to actaully make a play.

Kyaza1 votes

kats daggers are pretty easy to set up imo. her q will always land behind a target and if she plays it right she can easily land a decent ult without getting cc'd

Albus Rumbledore1 votes

i've been wanting to see Katarina in my games

Oh I see, you are masochist.

You can't compare LB and Kata imo. Difference here is if LB gets fed she will one shot 1-2 ppl in 0,5 secs, Kata on the other hand will do this with "whole" team, expect tanks maybe. So imo problem with her is in her passive.

The Oni1 votes

You can compare lb to kata because they are both assassin mages that both want to do the same thing "burst" someone, i assume you don't have a lot of experience with higher elo's (no offence) but Katarina gets shut down very easily if you have a good comp which most players tend to aim for, but i do see where you are coming from yes in lower elo Katarina can storm through a team (Same as now But not as efficently) but le Blanc on the other hand can't attack more then 2 people on average at the same time but overall the main goal of both of the champions are the same to kill the adc or the fed player "fast and efficently". ( And on another note the comparison was mainly to the changes in play rate and win rate of le Blanc before and after the rework not what they do, but i appreciate the talk)

The Oni1 votes

Oh and i forgot to mention the bit where i said "i've been waiting to see Katarina in my games" and i am not a "masochist" just a player wanting to see a champion be played once and a while or even at all for that matter (obviously hyperbolic)

chipndip11 votes

Yeah, it's a no from me, dawg. If Kat gets fed, she pops EVERYONE, not just 1-2 ones. Kat also is working perfectly fine in solo queue, and doesn't need much attention.

The Oni2 votes

What is working "perfectly fine" about her in solo queue? Her win rate at a 51.37% with a play rate of 4.7%

chipndip11 votes

Is that NOT perfectly fine?

Yuung Fappy1 votes

play rate of 4.7% meaning only her mains that spent hundreds of games on her to get that winrate. That's not fine.

The Oni1 votes

That is the same as le Blanc though but she does it in a slightly different way to Katarina but she still does it and also she is live in game today with only one real counter part at the moment which is Aftershock Lissandra.

chipndip11 votes

...Kassadin is pretty damn bad for LB, too.

JeaneGreene1 votes

LB was reverted because she was too hard to balance. Having an assassin with the best waveclear in the game, best sustain, ludicrous burst and insane utility was just toxic for the game. And in the end, true Leblanc mains would just Q-RQ-Lichbane-RLichbane-Gunblade in 0.6 seconds and have point and click burst that restored her to full health.

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