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@Meddler Runic Echoes and Tiamat nerf

Yaldekraut·3/10/2016, 9:04:17 PM·5 votes·4,212 views
3/10 PBE Update

Runic Echoes Base damage lowered to 60 from 80

As for Runic Echoes I really don't understand why you would nerf it again. I mean Nidalee is strong (and gets her own nerfs) and Gragas isn't too bad either but imo it doesn't look like Runic Echoes is too strong. All other AP junglers aren't overbearing (Elise, Diana, Fiddle etc.) and I think Devourer is much more oppressive than Runic Echoes (doesn't mean it needs nerfs, the devourer jungler seem just stronger right now). So I really would love context here because this nerf hits champions, who don't deserve the nerf...

Tiamat Build Path changed to [Long Sword + Long Sword + Rejuv Bead + 350g] from [Pickaxe + Rejuv. Bead + 175g] Attack damage lowered to 20 from 30 Unique Passive - Cleave added: "UNIQUE Passive - Cleave: Basic attacks deal X to Y as bonus physical damage to enemies near the target on hit (enemies closest to the target take the most damage)."

Tiamat I actually really like right now. It doesn't cleave anymore, which makes it easier to freeze lane for example. But why would you reduce the AD on the item and give the cleave stuff back. I agree Titanic is too strong but definetely not Tiamat.

28 Comments

RiotMeddler3/11/2016, 6:37:20 AM5 votes

We're still seeing Runic Echoes be too effective on a range of junglers, a number of whom are building tank after finishing it. We're looking at nerfing its base damage as a result.

Tiamat's intended to offer AOE/wave clear as a core part of its identity. At present though it's not good enough in that regard, but too good at single target burst. We're taking some power from raw AD to restore the cleave passive as a result.

Ravenhale3/10/2016, 9:13:20 PM3 votes

They nerfed Evelynn again? ¬.¬

Variks the Loyal3/10/2016, 9:15:52 PM2 votes

The tiamat change is sorta better for junglers, but crappy for everyone else.

Anags3/11/2016, 4:13:37 PM2 votes

It appears they don't like AP tanks buying it such as gragas, sej, naut, udyr. I will still buy it on sej because it's just better than cinderhulk. Runic gives back 18% missing mana when proceed on a large monster. This is why you don't just buy ludens instead.

That allows you to keep your mana up just by farming. Cinderhulk can't do that and has a worse clear imo without movement speed as well.

I don't even think that runic is that busted. It's just that much better than cinderhulk for everyone with AP ratis that can't use devourer.

Surr20plz3/10/2016, 9:05:50 PM1 votes

They shouldn't do either of these things.

But they will...cause they can do no wrong.

Rain NT3/11/2016, 11:43:50 AM1 votes

Tiamat is basically useless unless you want waveclear now, but dualing potential>wave clear early game. And mostly with that weak item path... I dont see this item being built much anymore mostly when Titanic is getting nerf and Hydra doesnt give you much useful stats even after you upgraded it for the gold both hydra and titanic cost.

I usually build Tiamat AND NEVER upgrade it to either Hydra or Titanic (but Titanic is much of the two item though) because it cost too much for the gold you spend on it. And now that the dualing potential is also gone, for 1200 gold I prob wont even buy this new item lol.. 20 ad... Really? yeah, nope.. I'mma spend it on a more useful item. Now Tiamat and its upgraded doesnt look too good atm.