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master yi sucks in new jungle

amaranto1990··1 votes·2,579 views

Before 4.20, I main jungle and master yi is my favorite champion as he is easy to use with great farming speed. After 4.20, master yi really sucks.

  1. Small jungle camps respawn time double => less farms for master yi. Not to mention the change in jungle item and monster make it much more difficult for master yi to jungle. Before 4.20, I bring 2 red potions, Q->E. Now I have no choice but Q->W.

  2. In early game (before 6 let say) it is not possible for master yi to perform meaningful gank as he has no CC. (Also the duration of red is shorten.) Plus, his unbelievable low stats (the new growth stat really hurts) as a melee champion make him vulnerable to die during gank, diving, or small team fight.

1+2 => OKay, let don't gank or enter to any fights before 6 and ignore all the blames from teammates after your teammates got ganked. You will find yourself having nothing to do, but waiting for the camps to respawn.

  1. Reach 6, oh yeah, you can gank now with the ult and the new smite! Exciting right? Go to lane, make 1 or 2 kills, kill the dragon if possible. Then, again, you find yourself have nothing to do but wait at the empty jungle. You can't snowball for anything.

  2. In mid game, the resource at jungle is limited, but your teammates still need to kill the monsters. And you found yourself is damn poor can't get the third/forth items completed. You have much less damage and can't make kills in team fight. Thanks to the new stats again, you will find yourself die in less than 1s. Or you can stay away from the fight and look at the empty jungle while your teammates get kill one by one. You may probably go out and harvest 1 or 2 heads, getting a little gold but still your gold is lagged behind as well as the team gold. You try to backdoor, but the turret is damn strong right now. You back to the empty jungle and again, you find you have nothing to do.

  3. Finally, due to the lack of gold you will find that your team lose in most of the team fights, you watch your turret down one by one and have even less space for jungling.

  4. When your Nexus destroy, you try to look back, you will find yourself doing nothing all the time, but meditate or dance in Wuju Style in the empty jungle. Then you will think "Maybe I am old, it's time to resign as a jungler".

I know the jungle has changed a lot and every jungler have to face different problems. But the main problem for master yi is that, the only attack mean for him is Q and AA. Q is still powerful, but compare to other jungler's ult, its non-CC nature and low damage isn't enough to create instant impact during team fight. The new growth stats make master yi vulnerable and die quickly without enough DPS through AA. For sure I have a long and hard way to re-build master yi's items. But it will no longer the master yi I used to know.

I will simply quit master yi. That's all and thank you for your attention.

For those who do not agree with me. Probably you can try it out in normal PvP. I welcome to others' feedback.

9 Comments

Jbels2 votes

Then you're either playing it wrong or you're (no offense) an idiot. I've seen Yi do nothing but roll everything when he jungles. It even feels like jungle hasn't gotten harder for him, Warwick, or Nunu at all...

amaranto19901 votes

All champions have had their base stats raised by 168% of their old per-level statistic (except attack speed). For each level champions get more health and armor. While master yi is greatly depends on the AA. The solo increase in attack damage is not enough. Not to forget he is melee champion, not ranged.

Killer X 121 votes

With proper use of his Q (Using it to dodge the attacks from camps), proper use of his W (Clearly meditating when you'll get the most out of it), and ur E you shouldn't have any trouble in the new jungle. Like Jbels said, WW, Nunu and Yi still clear really well in this jungle.

amaranto19901 votes

Yi clear quickly but the farms are less. And he depends on AA. I think the main problem not the jungle but the growth stats. He is a melee and AA depending champions.

Jbels1 votes

Melee versus range is not a factor here. There are 2 champions popular in the jungle that have a ranged AA. That's not nearly enough to create a ranged vs melee discrepancy. And even if Master Yi were not as good in this jungle as the last one, then good. It's about time something punished Yi for being a champion you could smash your face against the keyboard and still get a triple kill with. Also, I'm not quite sure I understand your argument here. You said other champs get Health and Armor, and then you move right on to saying that Yi is AA dependent. Were you trying to say you think Yi should get a higher Attack Speed growth stat as compensation? No. Just...no, if you are.

amaranto19901 votes

You got what I meant. I know E's true damage ignores armor, but still he need some buffs while he is depending on AA. I am not saying he should get a higher attack speed, but others.

Jbels1 votes

Yi's very low skillcap begs to differ. It's bad enough how little that said skillcap does to earn the damage and steroids it already has packed into his kit.

JsKingBoo1 votes

Unlike most other champs, Yi has built in sustain, so you can easily waltz into the enemy jungle while the jungler is doing his second buff. The enemy jungler will probably get fairly low, netting you an easy kill.

Then you can counterjungle as you please

amaranto19901 votes

Unlike most other champs, Yi has built in sustain, so you can easily waltz into the enemy jungle while the jungler is doing his second buff. The enemy jungler will probably get fairly low, netting you an easy kill.

Then you can counterjungle as you please

True that yi has to change its style, but he is not that good in doing counterjunge as others, like Vi and LeeSin. You need wards and the new jungle items do not provided an additional ward as Feral Flare did. You can try to smite the wolves but too close to mid lane and the monster is damn strong. And again Yi stats is unbelievably low in early stage with no CC.

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