zed nerf

OveKing Of ZedOT·Apr 18, 2019·4 votes·2,244 views

i`m still wondering why riot decided to nerf zed to make him worse than he was before the buff . Maybe that was their plan from the beginning :))

25 Comments

JuiceBoxPApr 18, 20193 votes

They gave him a huge buff in 9.7, balancing it out in 9.8.

He is still strong asf tho

OveKing Of ZedOTApr 18, 20192 votes

he`s weaker than before buff.

CochoApr 18, 20193 votes

But he still has

ATTACK SPEED GROWTH 2.1% ⇒ 3.3% RECAST RANGE 1300 range ⇒ 1950 range Q - Razor Shuriken (+0.9 bonus attack damage) ⇒ (+1.0 bonus attack damage)

manolis201Apr 18, 20191 votes

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But he still has

ATTACK SPEED GROWTH 2.1% ⇒ 3.3% RECAST RANGE 1300 range ⇒ 1950 range Q - Razor Shuriken (+0.9 bonus attack damage) ⇒ (+1.0 bonus attack damage)

So what do you wanna nerf his damage to -40 in total cause thats what will happen and it will go down even more by changing that percentage since it scales only with bonus ad FROM RUNES AND ITEMS the 90% ad ratio was a faliure change from ghostcrawler or something :)

CochoApr 19, 20191 votes

that isnt really a counterargument, you're just ignoring what i said then putting words in my mouth and complaining about riot

manolis201Apr 19, 20191 votes

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?

that isnt really a counterargument, you're just ignoring what i said then putting words in my mouth and complaining about riot

it is you just dont understand it the way i wrote it....

CochoApr 19, 20191 votes

Try typing it in english

So what do you wanna nerf his damage to -40 in total cause thats what will happen

???

Where did you get -40 from?

it will go down even more by changing that percentage since it scales only with bonus ad FROM RUNES AND ITEMS the 90% ad ratio was a faliure change from ghostcrawler or something :)

The 0.1% scaling is still intact.

I dont actually know what you're trying to say

When you type like an idiot, people arent going to understand you. Try typing more clearly.

manolis201Apr 19, 20191 votes

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Try typing it in english

???

Where did you get -40 from?

The 0.1% scaling is still intact.

I dont actually know what you're trying to say

When you type like an idiot, people arent going to understand you. Try typing more clearly.

Christ... i found the -40 cause when you build more AD on Zed his damage will go lower by alot the more items you get cause its at 90% example lets say you get x6 bloodthrister + 80 AD x6=+480 AD Zed starts with 63 AD without runes and items right? good until here ? level 1 values are the below

Zed has 543 AD with those items he will do at 100%bonus AD Ratio +480 damage on his Q cause the items give 480 right? so 90% bonus AD Ratio is =480-10%= -48 damage =+432 with Q 80+432 instead of 80+480 got it? and the combo loses 144 damage after nerfing it cause 48x3=144 and R way more after nerfing it to 90% cause its more Qs =more diffrence around 202 damage less with R and more cause R scales at only the 35% of the damage dealt at early.

100% Bonus AD Ratio +480x3=1.440 damage - armor reduction Diffrence -144 damage x3 triple Q damage poke combo 90% Bonus AD Ratio +432x3=1.296 damage - armor reduction

OveKing Of ZedOTApr 19, 20191 votes

i just replied to him buddy, no worries.

ok. lets put it that way: at lvl 5 q does -10AD after the nerf 0.9->1.0 ad it means at +110ad(from items) you get +11 ad than you got before the buff 110 ad = youmuus + dusk in late game you will have : dusk youmuus edge ldr cleaver(optional i dont really use cleaver anymore but thats the most common build on zed) 5items = 55+55+55+45+40=250= +25ad from the buff (0.9->1.0)

next, when they buffed him they removed the r part that gives you ad its never an exact number in for how much ad it gives you in late game but its somewhere like 30-80(and i dont count a jhin cause a jhin can give you 120ad if hes fed)

so to make a total it would be +25ad(0.9->1.0bonus ad ration on q)-10ad(lvl 5q after the nerf) - 30(ad r gave you before the remove -this was the minimum i only had when i was fighing a 2-30 adc and it s very rare to have just +30ad in late game with r- i only put 30 to not hear people say it can be lower but thats the truth, this ad you can only have from r only if the enemy ad champs are UNDERFED)

+25-10-30 = 25-40= -15 ad in THE BEST CASE FOR A ZED. the normal scenario is somewhere like +25-10-55 or something wich is equal to -45ad difference between now and before he have been buffed. and the best scenario will be +25-10-80(- or + and we dont include a 20-2 jhin here) = -65ad THATS MORE THAN 1 lethality item.

the attack speed is ok BUT YOU FORGOT ZED DOESN`T AA anybody in teamfights its just for better farming. the W range increase is good but in a normal game you will use the extra range like 2/10 times when you use w

So now tell me, you still think zed isn`t weaker than he was before the buff?

manolis201Apr 19, 20191 votes

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i just replied to him buddy, no worries.

ok. lets put it that way: at lvl 5 q does -10AD after the nerf 0.9->1.0 ad it means at +110ad(from items) you get +11 ad than you got before the buff 110 ad = youmuus + dusk in late game you will have : dusk youmuus edge ldr cleaver(optional i dont really use cleaver anymore but thats the most common build on zed) 5items = 55+55+55+45+40=250= +25ad from the buff (0.9->1.0)

next, when they buffed him they removed the r part that gives you ad its never an exact number in for how much ad it gives you in late game but its somewhere like 30-80(and i dont count a jhin cause a jhin can give you 120ad if hes fed)

so to make a total it would be +25ad(0.9->1.0bonus ad ration on q)-10ad(lvl 5q after the nerf) - 30(ad r gave you before the remove -this was the minimum i only had when i was fighing a 2-30 adc and it s very rare to have just +30ad in late game with r- i only put 30 to not hear people say it can be lower but thats the truth, this ad you can only have from r only if the enemy ad champs are UNDERFED)

+25-10-30 = 25-40= -15 ad in THE BEST CASE FOR A ZED. the normal scenario is somewhere like +25-10-55 or something wich is equal to -45ad difference between now and before he have been buffed. and the best scenario will be +25-10-80(- or + and we dont include a 20-2 jhin here) = -65ad THATS MORE THAN 1 lethality item.

the attack speed is ok BUT YOU FORGOT ZED DOESN`T AA anybody in teamfights its just for better farming. the W range increase is good but in a normal game you will use the extra range like 2/10 times when you use w

So now tell me, you still think zed isn`t weaker than he was before the buff?

Btw i replied to him that if they nerf Zeds ad ratio to 90% he will lose 48+ more damage on his Q and more than 202 on R cause the runes too

OveKing Of ZedOTApr 19, 20192 votes

ok. lets put it that way: at lvl 5 q does -10AD after the nerf 0.9->1.0 ad it means at +110ad(from items) you get +11 ad than you got before the buff 110 ad = youmuus + dusk in late game you will have : dusk youmuus edge ldr cleaver(optional i dont really use cleaver anymore but thats the most common build on zed)
5items = 55+55+55+45+40=250= +25ad from the buff (0.9->1.0)

So now tell me, you still think zed isn`t weaker than he was before the buff?

manolis201Apr 19, 20191 votes

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ok. lets put it that way: at lvl 5 q does -10AD after the nerf 0.9->1.0 ad it means at +110ad(from items) you get +11 ad than you got before the buff 110 ad = youmuus + dusk in late game you will have : dusk youmuus edge ldr cleaver(optional i dont really use cleaver anymore but thats the most common build on zed)
5items = 55+55+55+45+40=250= +25ad from the buff (0.9->1.0)

next, when they buffed him they removed the r part that gives you ad its never an exact number in for how much ad it gives you in late game but its somewhere like 30-80(and i dont count a jhin cause a jhin can give you 120ad if hes fed)

so to make a total it would be +25ad(0.9->1.0bonus ad ration on q)-10ad(lvl 5q after the nerf) - 30(ad r gave you before the remove -this was the minimum i only had when i was fighing a 2-30 adc and it s very rare to have just +30ad in late game with r- i only put 30 to not hear people say it can be lower but thats the truth, this ad you can only have from r only if the enemy ad champs are UNDERFED)

+25-10-30 = 25-40= -15 ad in THE BEST CASE FOR A ZED. the normal scenario is somewhere like +25-10-55 or something wich is equal to -45ad difference between now and before he have been buffed. and the best scenario will be +25-10-80(- or + and we dont include a 20-2 jhin here) = -65ad THATS MORE THAN 1 lethality item.

the attack speed is ok BUT YOU FORGOT ZED DOESN`T AA anybody in teamfights its just for better farming. the W range increase is good but in a normal game you will use the extra range like 2/10 times when you use w

So now tell me, you still think zed isn`t weaker than he was before the buff?

He is weaker!

manolis201Apr 19, 20192 votes

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ok. lets put it that way: at lvl 5 q does -10AD after the nerf 0.9->1.0 ad it means at +110ad(from items) you get +11 ad than you got before the buff 110 ad = youmuus + dusk in late game you will have : dusk youmuus edge ldr cleaver(optional i dont really use cleaver anymore but thats the most common build on zed)
5items = 55+55+55+45+40=250= +25ad from the buff (0.9->1.0)

next, when they buffed him they removed the r part that gives you ad its never an exact number in for how much ad it gives you in late game but its somewhere like 30-80(and i dont count a jhin cause a jhin can give you 120ad if hes fed)

so to make a total it would be +25ad(0.9->1.0bonus ad ration on q)-10ad(lvl 5q after the nerf) - 30(ad r gave you before the remove -this was the minimum i only had when i was fighing a 2-30 adc and it s very rare to have just +30ad in late game with r- i only put 30 to not hear people say it can be lower but thats the truth, this ad you can only have from r only if the enemy ad champs are UNDERFED)

+25-10-30 = 25-40= -15 ad in THE BEST CASE FOR A ZED. the normal scenario is somewhere like +25-10-55 or something wich is equal to -45ad difference between now and before he have been buffed. and the best scenario will be +25-10-80(- or + and we dont include a 20-2 jhin here) = -65ad THATS MORE THAN 1 lethality item.

the attack speed is ok BUT YOU FORGOT ZED DOESN`T AA anybody in teamfights its just for better farming. the W range increase is good but in a normal game you will use the extra range like 2/10 times when you use w

So now tell me, you still think zed isn`t weaker than he was before the buff?

Srsly tho why everyone all this Zed hate... :/

OveKing Of ZedOTApr 19, 20193 votes

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Srsly tho why everyone all this Zed hate... :/

don`t know mate..

manolis201Apr 19, 20191 votes

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don`t know mate..

Very Nice kda with Zed dude :)

OveKing Of ZedOTApr 19, 20191 votes

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manolis201Apr 19, 20191 votes

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nice counterargument, says a lot about you.

Um Wdym i just said you re great with Zed cause i saw your op.gg ^^

OveKing Of ZedOTApr 19, 20192 votes

yea but i dont think i will play much zed in ranks after the nerf, he`s literally too weak for a hard matchup

OveKing Of ZedOTApr 19, 20191 votes

yea but i dont think i will play much zed in ranks after the nerf, he`s literally too weak for a hard matchup

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Um Wdym i just said you re great with Zed cause i saw your op.gg ^^

and if you watched my op.gg look only at ranks not at normals, i dont play normals serious

manolis201Apr 19, 20191 votes

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yea but i dont think i will play much zed in ranks after the nerf, he`s literally too weak for a hard matchup

and if you watched my op.gg look only at ranks not at normals, i dont play normals serious

Cool ^^ sure :)

manolis201Apr 19, 20191 votes

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yea but i dont think i will play much zed in ranks after the nerf, he`s literally too weak for a hard matchup

and if you watched my op.gg look only at ranks not at normals, i dont play normals serious

Well on the elo i am on silver 1 Zed is ehh i was vs veigar i went mid first mid with Zed after playing always top with him cause i hate tanks i went 10/2/4 we lost cause jhin oneshoted me and i was doing 399-499 damage with R only and i had PD too and jhin 1800 with basic and critical lel.

OveKing Of ZedOTApr 19, 20191 votes

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Very Nice kda with Zed dude :)

the kda is bad, the winratee is better

manolis201Apr 19, 20191 votes

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the kda is bad, the winratee is better

Lol if thats the case then im bad Zed? i mean my kda was at 2:3 2:6 at 600 games and 58% winrate on season 6 i dont think 2,8 2,7 kda is bad at all with many games its awesome you re awesome dude just riot is trolling everyone these days no other explanation lol.

OveKing Of ZedOTApr 20, 20191 votes

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Lol if thats the case then im bad Zed? i mean my kda was at 2:3 2:6 at 600 games and 58% winrate on season 6 i dont think 2,8 2,7 kda is bad at all with many games its awesome you re awesome dude just riot is trolling everyone these days no other explanation lol.

i had 78% winrate and 3.9kda but i lost to many games and got babysitted to much

NetorareApr 20, 20192 votes

Braindead zed mains being delusional as always smh... I swear, riot should fucking ignore yas,zed and riven playerbase Zed fucking deserves all the nerf he is going to get in the future hopefully but i doubt riot will touch broken&popular 12 year old champs like zed/yas/riven...