As it is now, 
when proc-ing it feels not as satisfying as it's counterpart 
, can the people who deals with this sort of thing at Riot give it something with a bit more 'oomph' because as it it, the majority of the time, I don't even think that it works at all.
So, what I'm suggesting is something more noticeable.
And also, I would be fine with the lightning effect because I want to go full Lord of Lightning with Kennen.
Talamare16 votesIt's less a "Luden's ECHO" and more a "Zac's Fart"
Junkο4 votesEaster egg: If you are playing Zac and you are using the classic skin, the particle is green
ZeroFreakReth11 votesIt should do a loud echo of the ability that proc'd it.
BakedLotion4 votesI wish it was just purple lightning. The visual fx are really lacking
Hupsis2 votesStatikk shiv proc can critically strike, Luden's cannot.
The problem is that (some) mages already have huge bursts. Introducing an item that gives more burst means that the damage on the item can't be that high or otherwise mages would just one shot everyone (except tanks). It's basically another version of deathfire grasp but the damage is loaded into one spell instead of potentially your whole kit which makes it somewhat more bearable for a single opponent.
Tbh I was expecting something more unique and opportunistic. But I guess Luden's echo is an ok item nonetheless.
Solaxo11 votesStatikk shiv proc can critically strike, Luden's cannot.
The problem is that (some) mages already have huge bursts. Introducing an item that gives more burst means that the damage on the item can't be that high or otherwise mages would just one shot everyone (except tanks). It's basically another version of deathfire grasp but the damage is loaded into one spell instead of potentially your whole kit which makes it somewhat more bearable for a single opponent.
Tbh I was expecting something more unique and opportunistic. But I guess Luden's echo is an ok item nonetheless.
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He wants it to be more powerfull GRAPHICALLY and sound (dunno what's the adjective of that)
Hupsis1 votesIt doesn't really say in the op that he's talking about the graphical effects.
In the last sentence he's just saying it would be cool to have lightning effect. I thought it was just a side comment.
But sure the graphics could be more echo like.
RIP Tahm Kench1 votes"As it is now, when proc-ing it feels not as satisfying as it's counterpart ... So, what I'm suggesting is something more noticeable [for an item effect]."
Hupsis1 votesDidn't say "[for an item effect]". He could have been referring to the damage...
RIP Tahm Kench2 votesYeah I know, but for future reading if you look at a news interview of someone you might see square brackets [ ], those signify something the writer put in for understanding.
Hupsis1 votesI know :/
TonyTonyMordecai1 votesThe guy was referring to the visuals of luden's echo vs stattik shiv. And yes, I would rather there be some sort of sound effect or brighter visual so that I know when it goes off. Super easy to see/hear stattik shiv lightning proc, so why not the same for luden's echo proc?
Aheadatime1 votesAuditorily is the word you're looking for.
Delioth1 votesThat word sounds awkward and looks bad. For future reference, 'aurally' means the exact same thing, and sounds nicer.
Aheadatime1 votesI think auditorily sounds nicer personally. Aurally sounds too much like orally. Maybe I'm biased because I'm a sound engineer and I use the term constantly.
Tis a nice day2 votesPowerwise it's fine. It just looks weak similar to how you would feel if Karthus's ult visual plopped out little blobs of goo instead of death ray smites.
maikokk1 votesludens echo is good on karthus
so you will, in fact, be seeing karthus ults plopping out little blobs.
Sirsir1 votesLuden's also scales with AP, Shiv doesn't scale with anything.
GhostOfShrimpmas2 votesLuden's also scales with AP, Shiv doesn't scale with anything.
It scales with Crit Chance.
Ltank1292 votesI find Luden's a bit underwhelming in general. The item basically helps waveclear or single target burst champs to be more prominent in teamfights. Most mages with a few exceptions have very little problem wavelcaring, and most popular mages right now already have the multi target spells.
I realize it wasn't meant to be a DFG replacement, but I think it is kind of worthless. ADCs grab static to clear waves faster. By the time a mage is buyiing Ludens, they are probably mid game and clearing waves fine. Of course, one could claim ludens adds to their burst, but that would be deceiving themselves. 100 + 15% AP once every hundred units/ten spells is very little considering the price. Compare it to Lich Bane, which procs every spell, gives you the same movement speed buff, and has a 50% Ap burst, procing about ten times as fast as Ludens.
NorthernDruid1 votesit procs every fifth spell, less if you move around a lot, compare it to lich bane which can procc once every 1.5 seconds.
Underwhelming as a burst-enabler though? Yes, seems like it from what I've seen of footage (haven't gotten to try it myself yet).
Hard4Hamsters1 votesYou only need 5 spells to proc it if you were standing still (20 stacks per spell cast) but I agree with you. I'm thinking it could work for a few champs, but you do get more from other items.
Chessburger1 votesTry AP Ezreal if you're good at the champ. It helps immensely with his horrible mid-game and makes for a more manage-able transition into late game powerhouse.
Madra2 votesDouble proc Kennen sounds like fun.
maikokk1 votesalso kayle...
and jax/udyr if you really wanna go crazy lol
Knight SoIaire 2 votesowerall riot missed with the passive they made an item for spellslingers while i would see it more on bursty mages or mages who incorporate mobility in their spells
spell spamming is not as potent as autoatacking, an adc always launches more of autos and i should sa a lot more while riot gave this item the same mechanic static has with the diference of spells charging it instead of autos so mages who are meant to use it and proc it often( thus get this impact you dont feel) just cant use it while bursty mages or mobile mages who can walk/jump to stack it should see it a nice addition, kinda lackluster but potent as follow up item for rabbadons
so owerall conslusion is that item is a failure and needs tuning
Hard4Hamsters1 votesI don't think it seem as satisfying as Shiv is an early game item on an ADC and helps more with with waveclear than anything where as Luden's is more of a small extra burst to your late game damage as I don't see many champions rushing it like Shiv. It does give a high movespeed boost though, so I think its geared to suit kitey longrange casters like Xerath or Velkoz. The problem is that I don't see them giving up anything in their build to pick up this item unless they weren't going to build a defensive item like Banshee's or GA.
Darkshade241 votesWho in their right minds would rush a shiv? 0_0
Also, I believe that there are many champions that this item will be great on, like Kat and TF.(The two I've personally played) along with maybe annie or ahri.
Erockandroll1 votesWho in their right minds would rush a shiv? 0_0
Also, I believe that there are many champions that this item will be great on, like Kat and TF.(The two I've personally played) along with maybe annie or ahri.
Shiv can give some wave clear to an ADC, but most Mages already have good clear, making Echo feel a little Overkill.
Though If certain mages(or assassins) do lack Wave clear, Then I can see them picking this item up.
Hard4Hamsters1 votesWho in their right minds would rush a shiv? 0_0
Also, I believe that there are many champions that this item will be great on, like Kat and TF.(The two I've personally played) along with maybe annie or ahri.
The Shiv was the go-to ADC second item for Season 4 (unless you were playing Corki). The reason that it isn't seen as much anymore is that the meta shifted to Midgame ADC's this season who happen to have great waveclear on their own (Sivir and Graves for instance) and the buff to Phantom Dancer made it more beneficial to build it over Shiv. Some AD's still do well with Shiv as they lack significant waveclear, but they are not in the meta, and PD is just better right now.
But yeah, ADC's usually rush an AS/Crit chance item after IE.
I do see it on Kat and TF though, good observation. They benefit more from the stats the way I see it though as they don't need a mana sustain item.
Drunk Rummate1 votesWho in their right minds would rush a shiv? 0_0
Also, I believe that there are many champions that this item will be great on, like Kat and TF.(The two I've personally played) along with maybe annie or ahri.
Pickaxe -> Shiv used to be a pretty common core build for tristana before her rework. Don't think anyone would bother with it now, except maybe Kalista (though botrk and runaans have proven to be better for her).
The Trent1 votesWho in their right minds would rush a shiv? 0_0
Also, I believe that there are many champions that this item will be great on, like Kat and TF.(The two I've personally played) along with maybe annie or ahri.
Sometimes shiv is a ok rush because of 
's extra gold
maikokk1 votestfw thats actually a reason NOT to rush it
maikokk1 votesashe
Very Hard Engage1 votesthe power lies in the MS not the proc effect.
Arkireaim26 votesI just want it to look cooler when I proc it man because I can barely see it now and when I do, it's underwhelming. No cool sound effect, no cool animation.
Titanium706 votesWell i guess it was designed by same guy who has made the xerath Ult. :P
pew-pew-pew ^^
Dreadlocks1 votessome sound would be cool, but ina way its kind of cool quite cuz the enemy team just goes holy shit she/he did so much damage. Then they look, Oh it musta been that Ludens item lol ^^
TheLordPrism1 votesThe only thing I would like them to rework is the visual/sound effects on it. I've started building this item on 
and I've noticed a pretty big difference in her burst when it's fully charged..... Usually I have to do a whole Q,R,W,E,R rotation to assassinate someone....... But with Luden's echo fully charged, I usually don't even have to use the E and second R... Which then allows me to be more of an impact in team fights since my ultimate doesnt go on CD after just taking out one target. I don't know.... I like the item a lot so far, but I wish it was more noticeable when you proc'd it.
N0TY0U1 votesI like the way it is atm. I'd rather it not be a copy of .
ecneregilleb1 votesI personally don't want to have a lightning effect. It would just be a copy of at that point. That's even more boring.
BallisticMouse1 votesIf it gets "oomph" then make Stattik Shiv deal 15% of your AD like Luden's gets for AP.
GhostOfShrimpmas1 votesIf it gets "oomph" then make Stattik Shiv deal 15% of your AD like Luden's gets for AP.
Fine, but it doesn't get to crit anymore.
Also, not what OP was talking about.
BallisticMouse1 votesAlso, not what OP was talking about.
I never addressed what I thought OP described as "oomph", maybe you should stop assuming so much.
More than clearly OP meant a graphical "oomph". So I suggested that while they're making changes to one 'shiv' they should make changes to the other.
GhostOfShrimpmas1 votesI never addressed what I thought OP described as "oomph", maybe you should stop assuming so much.
More than clearly OP meant a graphical "oomph". So I suggested that while they're making changes to one 'shiv' they should make changes to the other.
My apologies for assuming you were responding to the topic of discussion. It won't happen again.
BallisticMouse1 votesIt's alright. Although I was responding to the topic of discussion, the topic being the .
BlackMagicWilson1 votesThe lightning from can also crit so just by that it does tons more damage even if it can't scale like .