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How to not be useless/worthless as a jungler

SilverRebel··1 votes·470 views

So the elo I've reached, people generally try making the jungler useless since this directly affects his presence in lane and ganking early. This is getting annoying and anti fun when you're getting flamed and you legit can't do anything about it.

One of the games that stood out to me was a Tryndamir in the enemy team against a lvl 7 kindred in our team. He was really good at making our kindred useless , taking most of her farm and the sad part was none of us could help her out when he invaded her and kept 3 shotting her with just after buying his boots. She didn't get any stacks until 20 , our jungle was completely cleared or even if she tried farming she will get 3 man ganked. But after the inner turret and she got a little farm.

From this I understand that it's pretty easy to make junglers useless just by picking a low skill cap champ (yii, trynd, xin etc) or a jungler who is strong early (Lee, vi, etc ) and just invading and the team can't even respond since (we are selfish retards and) they are inbetween trades with their lane opponent and have keep up with the cs and lane pressure.

So how do you deal with this being a jungler and being relevant in the game and not get useless during a game?

Not to mention few of the junglers are basically designed for counter jungling with Ivern , shaco, Lee sin, nunu etc.

PS : please don't tell stuff like 'don't pick kindred she's week' I'm asking a general guide for any junglers on how to deal with this and actually staying relevant since I don't know what to do when this happens as the jungler or a general team mate since wards can't help me from saving the jungler from getting 1 shot and the enemy spinning away.

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SEKAI1 votes

No. It's just that Kindred is currently gutted. Your scenario really just mounts up to that.

EDIT: If you just want a general tip for when you've got your ass whooped by the invades and stuff, then start investing wards and ward control tools to remove enemy wards, and avoid wherever the enemy jungle is at all costs and farm up, or focus on ganking the lanes where they aren't at. Tell your team to buff up the warding and ward-clearing routine too.

SilverRebel1 votes

Are you talking about buying stealth wards separatly or the green smite?

SEKAI1 votes

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Are you talking about buying stealth wards separatly or the green smite?

There are generally 2 ways in which you "ward the jungle". One is you spam use the Stealth Wards from Warding Totem and other stuff to keep critical areas of the map guarded under your sights (Tracker's ie green smite is a solution, but do note that you will only ever get 3 total Stealth Wards to use without rotation, so you don't want to overload yourself with too many warding items), but the other is to just deny the enemy vision instead with your Control Wards and Sweeping Lense/Oracle Alteration.

I personally use the latter approach, because I have a habit of diligently clearing up the Scuttle and purchasing Control Wards when recalling to base and place them in critical areas in the river (though recall you only get 1 use for Control Wards, so you have to rotate the areas a bit).

One thing to note though, sweepers can also totally function as a temporary ward, Sweeping Lens in particular since it has range as being an AoE around you for Oracle Alteration. You can use Sweeping Lens across walls and into brushes, if a Stealth Ward is detected it will show up but otherwise everything other hostile things will be a red silhouette of themselves which you can track their movement with, this works for both minions and champions. And this last part is very important, because it effectively means you have a temporary ward where you can light up an area and use sonar-like "vision" to track every hostile units that is in the region. This is useful to probe the brushes, check jungle camps to see if it's still there across walls when invading, keep an eye if you're backdooring and you want to know if there are other people coming at you from the jungle side, and general purposes of finding and clearing wards. The cherry on top is that sweepers are also of shorter CD than warding tools.

Clearing enemy wards also means the enemy laners are more likely to fuck up, because they have to take chances to advance their push, but voila, I'm right there too. And if they turtle then too bad, they've lost the lane already.

Then you go about clearing enemy's wards, on top of the wards from your team here and there, you'd realised how easy it is to spot enemies in your jungle with setups like this, and how much control you have over the map itself. Unless they also use the same approach then it'd be a different story. But you should be fine for the most part.

A jungle who wins the vision war across the map is a victorious jungler. And it's not always about just having more eyes, it's about denying their eyes and force them to sit in the dark while you're at it too; you don't need that many eyes, you just need enough to know where the opponents are up to. This is why I favour my current approach.

AlienPrimate1 votes

Reason 1 is that Tryn counters squishy junglers really hard. Early game, Tryn can 3-5 shot a lot of the squishy jungers after just 1 item. Kindred would destroy any tanks who try to invade her jungle.

How you counter it is by getting item 3711 and buying a item 2055 every time you back. This allows you to keep most of your jungle warded so you and your team can see the enemy jungler coming in. If you are good about watching your map, put wards at the entrances to your jungle. If not, put wards on your camps.

SilverRebel1 votes

Right makes sense but it wasn't just this game. It was sort of a norm for the enemy team junglers to invade with his team. And it was that I was in between trades with my lane opponent and I just couldn't respond immediately without it getting attention from everyone. But you're right. I'll keep that in mind with the wards.

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