I need 17,000 IP in order to finish my first rune page.

I have 4 rune pages that I wanna rework. I did the math I need 40590 IP for all the runes I need.

I'm sorry but what runes are you buying?

AD Marks cost 102 IP each, and with 9 total that makes 918 IP. AD Quints: 512x3=1536 Armor Seals: 102x9=918 Magic Resist Glyphs: 102x9=918 AP Quints: 512x3=1536 Magic Pen Marks: 205x9=1845

These are the basic runes that you need to have two decent rune pages, and the total cost is less than 8K IP. Now, of course maybe you're buying flat CDR Quints or something that are ridiculously expensive, but you don't need that for your first rune pages IMO. I survived with those two basic pages for almost a year with no real problems.

I'm not saying that runes aren't a struggle to grind for because they are, but please don't fucking exaggerate just to get upvotes.

Runes... such a pain. I spent so much to own every last tier 3 rune and it took almost 5 years now >_<

See you then. I just dumped around 6k on hybrid pen marks

boy am i glad ive been playing since S2 and have all the runes and champs ill ever want, and if anything changes i have the ip to get it

i cant imagine what it'd be like to start now. Hell i made a smurf that i dind't really wanna play cus no runes or champs

Just gonna mention that the cost for ALL runes is 389,916 IP.

if i could donated IP i would

i dont need ip for anything

i got 20 rune pages full of runes and runes i dont use

and i have 131 of 134 champs

We have lied to ourselves that league is a free game for a while.

runes in general are a very awful experience for starters.

I want to legitimately stress that I can easily convince MANY people to play league right up until i explain runes. Masteries used to be hard but now keystones fixed it ("Yeah man you have these 9 basically "powers" that you can use to heighten damage, utility, or tankiness") Runes are hands down the most off putting thing about league, from the fact that IP is basically earned at a slave wage to the fact that only about half the champs can 100% effectively be used with the "Basic" runes they discounted. They are boring with flat stat bonues, they are horribly mispricced as they havent been touched since league creation (with the exception of the discount earlier THIS year) and i'm kinda glad I got a spot to voice some things.

There are so many easy 'fixes' until they redo runes too (which they have said they are going to do they just arent sure what) off the top of my head Some ideas? --- reduce ALL the runes by half, why are they so expensive if they are so vital? Most non-discounted runes need 3-4 WINS to get, and about 6-8 losses. so overall you play 4-5 20+ minute games for a SINGLE rune!?!?!?!? Not to mention IP is the main way to get champs since free champs cant get you ANYTHING for hextech, which is the only other non-money way to get them (Oh yeah fix that too, if i get an S my first time as a free champ id sya that earns a dang chest)

--- Increase IP amounts. Straightforward and simple. Hell I have an idea, take an idaea thats been in fre to play games since the dawn of time: DAILY QUESTS! "Play a game as a mage" or "Get 100CS in a game" etc etc etc. give 5-1000 IP depending on difficulty of quest and bonus points? Hell dont even give IP give out hextech chest/key bundles! Just something.

--- Offer runes in bundles for RP. The most greedy and scummy solution but i mean hey new champs release at +1000 ip for the first week and chromas were RP only bundles for like a year and a half so i mean it's not out of the question obviously. The fact Riot hasnt cared much about IP::RP ratios is a whole seperate post IMO

You could offer them in hextech itself, put them on sales every week, You could give Runes like you award masteries as you level up, hell you could start by reducing the price on freaking rune book pages! I gotta grind for about a month to hopefully get 6300 IP for champs, and you think a rune book page, which i then need to spend MORE IP filling, is worth that value? What the literal frick rito!?!?!?!?!?

I think this needs to be a big "Ask Riot" or Podcast or something talk. Mid season updates maybe? I REALLY want to get my friends, most of which WATCH m play league and say the gameplay itself looks fun, to not be turned off by "all the work it would take to even get semi-bad" (direct quote)

2 months? Dude how much do you play a day wtf.

This will get hate but, frankly, you're better off with T2 runes and saving for T3 when you really want them.

"But the innate advantage of T3 runes!"

We'll use Health Quints as an example here.

T2 Quints = 20 HP. Get three of those for 3 IP T3 Quints = 26 HP. Get three of those for 6150 IP

You are paying 6147 IP for 18 HP. You could buy another champion in the 6300 IP category for that much.

Look, I know someone will argue "But those 18 points matter!" But for average Johnny, you really don't need to worry about it. Riot should just scrap and/or rework the entire system.

Just use Real life cash simple kids:)

No big deal. just play a lot of normals