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Slight Nerf to % pen?

bratt30··2 votes·338 views

For the very few of us in league that are tank mains, it's kinda difficult to be a successful tank in league when the enemy builds %pen, and you make it harder to get any more resistance past 50%. For a small look, i roughly average about 55% resistance to both Armor and Magic resist each time I tank, and roughly 3500 health minimum for my tanks, now when a character builds something like Lord Dominik's Regards/Mortal Reminder and/or void staff? you make it impossible for the tanks to do their job right. with Regards/Reminder, my 55% Physical resistance is now a measly 15%, and my 55% Magic Resistance against a void staff is now 20%, plus with the other items they have? my 3500 health is gone faster then a carries! Now I'm not saying that we should Nerf them to the ground, but Maybe pulling back a bit so the max %pen for both items is 30% about? it's not ridiculous, but it makes us tanks at least still feel like we are doing our job correctly. Please Let Someone in the staff see this and respond to me why this isn't reasonable!

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67chrome2 votes

Slight Nerf to % pen?

Armor pen got nerffed pretty heavily moving into this season.

45% bonus armor is way worse than 35% total armor. Think you need over 600 armor for Regard's to be better at puncturing armor this season than Last Whisper was past season.

Black Cleaver also takes 6 stacks to get to 30 rather than 4, also a big nerf to penetrating armor.

i roughly average about 55% resistance to both Armor and Magic resist each time I tank, and roughly 3500 health minimum for my tanks, now when a character builds something like Lord Dominik's Regards/Mortal Reminder and/or void staff? you make it impossible for the tanks to do their job right. with Regards/Reminder, my 55% Physical resistance is now a measly 15%, and my 55% Magic Resistance against a void staff is now 20%

It is not, that's not how armor and magic penetration works.

Penetrating 35% of total MR in the case of Void Staff means that if you had 100 MR, the bearer of Void Staff is going to treat you as though you have 65 MR (100-35).

They don't treat you as having 50%-35%=15% damage reduction. Armor and Magic Penetration effect you're armor and magic resistance, not the %damage reduction associated with your armor and magic resistance. Hope that makes sense. But with how it actually works: it's way less powerful than you're claiming it to be.

Also: 100 armor is 50% damage reduction (1/2 damage taken) 200 armor is 66.67% damage reduction (1/3 damage taken) 300 armor is 75% damage reduction (1/4 damage taken) 400 armor is 80% damage reduction (1/5 damage taken)

55% damage reduction is fairly low for a tank as 100 armor is easily achievable by a lot of squishy champions, and most armor items will allow you to easily achieve 200 armor without really trying. You also shouldn't fall below 55% damage reduction post-penetrations in most cases on a tank, as dropping a heavily armored champ to an effective ~122 armor generally takes a lot of effort with how armor pen is currently set up.

BloodyTompon2 votes

Your maths is off. The mistake you are making is thinking the penetration can be subtracted from the damage reduction. An easy mistake to make, but not quite how it works.

Even with Armour pen each 1 armour increases your effective HP (i.e., the physical damage they need to deal to kill you) by 0.55%. People make the mistake in thinking that armour pen means you shouldn't build more armour. Similarly for MR. It's almost always more effective to build more armour and MR in the game situation because MR and armour items also have HP. Also buy damage reduction things. They increase your tankiness significantly. Ninja Tabi boots and Randuins Each reduce the damage taken by approx 10% from ADC's from the passives alone.

The TL:DR is that's not very much MR or armour for a tank and reduces the amount you can take. That's why you are dying so quickly.

If you want to look the league wiki, they have a graph that shows you roughly the best ratio of HP to armour/MR.

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/0/04/HP_Armor_LW_VS.png/revision/latest?cb=20150408192329

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Armor http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Health

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