Speaking on hate towards Ghostcrawler and Game balance in itself

Shirø pig die··6 votes·812 views
Ghostcrawler and his failures

So just saw this on the front page of reddit. Been playing league for a good 5 years so i feel like ive had a pretty good idea of how the games has changed over the years. Now i know alot of these points being made against ghostcrawler and riot can be true. But alot of the comments are people just stating a lopsided opinion in the league community. I feel like alot of people are not really thinking about league of legends when it comes to whats "OP" and what needs to be changed. Some of the comments seem to be just opiniated aspects of the game that do not abide to your terms of fun and playable. at the end of the day there will always be People with and against a certain genre/ aspect of a game. You NEED to remember that league of legends is a game being made along the way, as more and more people join the community and time goes on, things are going to change and views on the game are going to alter. And with that comes a few key points. Number 1 being that It is never possible to please anyone, the biggest dilema caused by this is with dynamic queue and the procedures that go into trying to make it as acceptable and comfortable as possible. Number 2 is the big one though, as a company riot is learning along the way. League of legends has consisted of monthly and even weekly updates for over half a decade. The game is evolving andwill continue to evolve until who knows when, and with this comes the position that riot is in. Trying to shape a game around their community. Community favorites, Unlikeable aspects of the game, Fresh content to introduce and entice a new audience aswell as the Esports scene. League is a rediculously complex game when you take a step back and actually realise its potential. Yes riot has made mistakes (this includes Ghostcrawler) But i do not think it helps when alot of the comments are just pointless statements with no followup. Its harder than it actually is to get a community that reaches in the millions to give relative and viable feedback to an organisation (not too sure about riots enployment in certain areas but i doubt its ny higher than 50 in areas like design & gameplay) with a much lesser number of people. There will be easier ways to get information to one another in the future, but this isnt what weve got now, and in the future some thing swill still be harder to talk about than others. We need to give some credit to people like Ghost crawler, in all honestly he may have some background in world of warcraft, but behind closed doors league of legends is bigger than anything else in the world when it comes to gaming communites, and its tougher than alot of people make it out to be. Also If you are a casual player in league of legends, i dont mean to sound off but you have a very small say in comparison to the competetive seen when it comes to this game. League of legends has evolved from a casual game, it has surpassed that. Therefore it needs to keep focus on the areas where its attention is the highest and most exciting. besides competetivity in a game is essential and a key element in balancing. Sure there are champions like Galio and Yorick which rarley get seen because they are not suited for the comp' scene, but their times will come, and this goes for other champions/ items and even other areas of the game such as maps and game types. Point being that if you do not like the competetive scene, you my friend should play some cod zombies with your friends or maybe even some Diablo. Because as stated earlier league has become much more than wha it was 6 years ago, and if you cant see that the competitive experience in league of legends is one of the biggest thing keeping this game growing with an estatic and new feel, then you are mistaken. PS. @GhostCrawler i know you've been getting alot of hate and you probably dont care too much. I personally dont see why you should, but if you are just know that alot of us appreciate the fact that the game is still playable, some people might state otherwise but the games growing in size says otherwise. Thankyou so much for the effort that you and the team put in, its enough for me and my mates to log onto everynight after a big day or at the start of a young weekend. Rant over. Thankyou Riot for the last few years <3

Edit: Most of the people to have commented on this so far seem to be the people i was original pointing out when it came to alot of unjustifiable opinions. Feelsbadman. If people actaully wanted to ehlp rather than just going with the minority and chuckng a fit, league would be a much cleaner game.

TLDR: Insufficient justification on some of the questions and statments given to Ghostcrawler & Riot. -League is constantly growing, and so are the areas in which riot needs to address to acompany their ever growing audiance. -Clarity is key not just for the game creators, but the players -If you are a casual player who has alot of problems with the game, you need to accept that league of legends has become too big to consider every single tiny miniscule opinion into the game. It will aim to please the largest percentage possible, thats just how it is when it comes to numbers. -Dont hate on the devs please. They not only have to deal with the constant problems that their community finds for them ( Which isnt bad, its good that we are pointing out errors) But also dealing with things that they do not like about their own game, and also areas such as the competetve scene.

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Pierce The Veal4 votes

Ghostcrawler has chosen a path of game balance, which, while not bad, has alienated most of us older players, decentivized playing melee champions anywhere, and lead ADCs to become the strongest class in the game. I am not a fan of his or Riot's current policies, and I had already quit the game, I am back now after a good year and a half or so to see a completely new game, one that doesn't hold a candle to the game in season 2. Unfortunately, I'm stuck here for a while because I have friends I can't meet with often that want to play with me. I am glad, however, to say that Riot hasn't gotten anything from my wallet in the past two years.

Shirø pig die2 votes

Refering back to season 2 is something that seems to be one of the bigger arguments when talking about the current state of the game. I can confidently say that one of the only reasons that season 2 was so popular with everyone was becuase in season 3 we had some of the biggest changes since the game was released. Also to put it straight, season 2 was simple, and nothing more. The game itself was transparent and i can almost confidently say that if we were still revolving around season 2 right now. the game would either feel clutered, or be dead. I also disagree with your first staement "decentivized playing melee champions anywhere, and lead ADCs to become the strongest class in the game" this is completley incorrect with the current state of the game and hasnt been this way for a while. I also feel like your statement saying "Ghostcrawler has chosen a path of game balance, which, while not bad, has alienated most of us older players" is a bit confusing. If a game is not balnaced, it then becomes less interesting to both new and old players, feeling alienated is just a way of saying that you're wishing you were stuck back when times were more simple. Simple doesnt peak interest or light a pathway to path the future of a game/company.

Pierce The Veal1 votes

Simple? Ha! Sure, there were big changes in season 3, and they were actually met with some optimism, however the only reason I don't refer to season 3 is because that's when the fall started. There were balance issues then with botrk, warmogs, and black cleaver, and Riot simply delayed solving the problem properly to the point that the season was known as the most broken one. In reality, the game became more simple after season 3. Season 3 was acceptable, but preseason 4 really killed the game and simplified it.

You don't seem to have any knowledge of said seasons, so I really don't think it's fair for you to try to discount what I'm saying when you have nothing to actually disprove what I'm saying.

Shirø pig die1 votes

People like you are the ones i dont get. Say that youve resented the game for almost 5 years yet you continue to stick around the community. you're simply just stating things as a counterargument :/ half of what you just siad isnt even relevant in the current game so why bring it up haha. denial at its finest.

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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People like you are the ones i dont get. Say that youve resented the game for almost 5 years yet you continue to stick around the community. you're simply just stating things as a counterargument :/ half of what you just siad isnt even relevant in the current game so why bring it up haha. denial at its finest.

I've mostly been a forum lurker longer than anything, but anyway, I'm here because I have irl friends who I can't meet up with often, but can talk to online/play with. I actually just came back after quitting for around a year an a half.

Sogreth1 votes

Ghostcraweler is an Idiot. He should have left Blizz for like...ArcheAge or something. Something that would have died off and he would have been forgotten about.

Arakadia1 votes

Holy crap that wall of text. I cannot read that and I want to, mind just breaking it up a bit?

Shirø pig die1 votes

Insufficient justification on some of the questions and statments given to Ghostcrawler & Riot. -League is constantly growing, and so are the areas in which riot needs to address to acompany their ever growing audiance. -Clarity is key not just for the game creators, but the players -If you are a casual player who has alot of problems with the game, you need to accept that league of legends has become too big to consider every single tiny miniscule opinion into the game. It will aim to please the largest percentage possible, thats just how it is when it comes to numbers. -Dont hate on the devs please. They not only have to deal with the constant problems that their community finds for them ( Which isnt bad, its good that we are pointing out errors) But also dealing with things that they do not like about their own game, and also areas such as the competetve scene. Just my opinion :) i do really think some of the devs get given way too much dissrespect for some people

Danyul Targaryen1 votes

ghostcrawler and all of riot is trash there game is dying they need to change or else

Oleandervine1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Danyul Targaryen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=RE2MZgXo,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-08-02T23:57:11.740+0000)

ghostcrawler and all of riot is trash there game is dying they need to change or else

Your comment is nothing but an oxymoron because he's brought about a LOT of change to the game. Some people hate it, such as yourself, but on the whole, a lot of people don't care or actually like it. You cannot fault Ghostcrawler for NOT bringing about change when that's all he's done. If things weren't changed, this would still be the exact same game it was last year and the year before and the year before.

Danyul Targaryen1 votes

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Your comment is nothing but an oxymoron because he's brought about a LOT of change to the game. Some people hate it, such as yourself, but on the whole, a lot of people don't care or actually like it. You cannot fault Ghostcrawler for NOT bringing about change when that's all he's done. If things weren't changed, this would still be the exact same game it was last year and the year before and the year before.

bad change doo doo head

Oleandervine1 votes

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bad change doo doo head

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