Can we mother fucking stop giving assassins 17 million escapes?

ArmstrongsT··41 votes·10,094 views

Oh hi I pickedTalon and misplayed, guess I should just press R and then wall jump 179 times.

Oh hi I picked Zed and I'm in the wrong spot, guess I'll just shadow away.

Oh hi I picked Khazix if I fuck up my combo i have 27 ways to escape.

Ahri three ways to escape a bad play.

Akali just shroud the misplay.

Kassadin just flash the misplay.

We NEED to start removing the bullshit safety nets from these mindless champions so that there can be a LITTLE bit of thought needed to play them.

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The Highest Noon35 votes

"I wish things with wings didn't fly! That's so stupid! Oh, you're on the ground bird? NOW YOU'RE GONNA FLY AWAY FUCK" -You right now

Assassins go in, do damage, get out. If they didn't have a reliable escape, guess what? You're not playing an assassin.

RevertCritOrAFK9 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=R9jYqY41,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-01-03T17:54:57.338+0000)

"I wish things with wings didn't fly! That's so stupid! Oh, you're on the ground bird? NOW YOU'RE GONNA FLY AWAY FUCK" -You right now

Assassins go in, do damage, get out. If they didn't have a reliable escape, guess what? You're not playing an assassin.

Yes they do bud but that doenst change assassins basicly abuse the fact that they get a out of jail free card and they can dive afront of a whole team and not get killed because Dash/jump over wall and no one can be bothered to chase him because he can do it again in 5 seconds and have his team there and no one in this meta cares about having cc because the ultimate cc is death supposively when defense and real supports are non existance

The Highest Noon24 votes

Assassins have a get out of jail free card. That's literally something that defines an assassin--a reliable method of leaving after going in.

Y'all complaining about basic shit lol "Why do assassins have escapes?" "Why do tanks survive so long?" "Why does CC keep me from moving?" "Why do ADCs have so much range?" "Why is Teemo cancer?"

Like, the answers are literally in the subject. You are an assassin because you have an escape. You are a tank because you can take hits. You are an ADC because you have ranged attack damage. Teemo is cancer.

You can complain. You can also get over life.

The Goodest Boy5 votes

could you maybe point me to examples of the other arguments you threw in there? where people are complaining about tanks tanking damage? or crowd control applying crowd control? im slightly skeptical on those..

either you didnt read the post or you intentionally misinterpreted it to start an argument. people arent complaining that birds can fly away if we spook them, they're complaining that the bird can fly and also has a jetpack and a machine gun so that he can murder you from 3 miles up without ever coming down. we're mad that Talon can slam his cock onto his keyboard, kill some poor jackass in the blink of an eye, and then stand around for 30 seconds because he knows he can just tap E on the nearest wall to fly into fountain. We're mad that Zed's guarenteed kill ultimate also has a "press me to teleport to saftey" button on it.

We're mad that Akali can drool on her keyboard and enter the shadow realm where not even towers can spot her, only to use one of her 3 fucking mobility spells to descend upon you and cut you to death from a DOTA 2 game.

You have to fuck up like an Iron 5 player to get caught on these champs and its so so so obnoxious

The Highest Noon7 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Goodest Boy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=R9jYqY41,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-03T19:26:06.114+0000)

could you maybe point me to examples of the other arguments you threw in there? where people are complaining about tanks tanking damage? or crowd control applying crowd control? im slightly skeptical on those..

In recent times? No. During times when those classes were meta? I'd just take a look at boards during those metas. Tank meta, "Tanks are too tanky". ADC meta, "They have too much range I can't reach them". Though it wasn't a meta, at one point in time the most common argument against CC was that there's just no way to play when you're CCed. Those were the days...

either you didnt read the post or you intentionally misinterpreted it to start an argument. people arent complaining that birds can fly away if we spook them, they're complaining that the bird can fly and also has a jetpack and a machine gun so that he can murder you from 3 miles up without ever coming down.

Nah. It's definitely about birds being able to fly after dropping a poop on your car. It's birds. They do some wild shit then fly away.

we're mad that Talon can slam his cock onto his keyboard, kill some poor jackass in the blink of an eye, and then stand around for 30 seconds because he knows he can just tap E on the nearest wall to fly into fountain.

LOL Talon hasn't been that strong since before his rework. If Talon runs in with his Ult and tosses all his abilities on one player he's most likely dying right after killing them. Unless of course he has flash, but then that's not a Talon problem. If he kills you right beside a wall, isn't that your fault for your poor positioning?

We're mad that Zed's guarenteed kill ultimate also has a "press me to teleport to saftey" button on it.

Zed is a Zed problem not an assassin problem. He's broken in his own ways that most people have specifically called out outside of just lumping other assassins together with him.

We're mad that Akali can drool on her keyboard and enter the shadow realm where not even towers can spot her, only to use one of her 3 fucking mobility spells to descend upon you and cut you to death from a DOTA 2 game.

Akali is not facerolling anybody like that unless they're underlevelled, underfed, or underhealthed. And in that case, it's not an Akali problem it's a skill problem. I play Akali. I play against Akali. I do stupid shit like that. I take advantage of people doing stupid shit like that all the time. I know this.

You have to fuck up like an Iron 5 player to get caught on these champs and its so so so obnoxious

No, it's quite easy to catch assassins, especially since for them to faceroll you as you've been saying they do requires them to use all of their resources and commit to the task. That means:

Talon is running at you with his ult, removing his greatest escape tool. If he's not, and you still die, that's not a Talon problem that's a SKILL problem.

Akali is dropping her smoke in order to get close to you without taking damage. If not, and you still die, that's not an Akali problem that's a SKILL problem.

Zed is a problem no matter how I try and argue his case. Fuck 'em.

Pyke better spend his time supporting his team (if he's support) or things aren't gonna go well for him. If he's assassin mode then good thing he doesn't have a Stealth but instead a Camoflage, right? Pyke as a champion is literally built to be the perfect assassin, though. A dash-stun, camo-steroid, pull, execute, and retreat-heal? He's pretty good if used correctly.

Josh Sand6 votes

Nobody complained about tanks being too tanky. They complained that tanks were able to deal loads of damage without dying.

Nobody complained about ADC range. (Are you really trying to make that argument?). People complained about Ardent Censer and tank shredding.

Please troll somewhere else. You arent worth taking seriously here.

The Highest Noon4 votes

That's great and all but my experience says otherwise. GL trying to prove history incorrect, though. You'd be the first person to succeed. [zombie-brand-clap]

OlympicStalker1 votes

ummmm... why are you talking to rocks?

The Highest Noon1 votes

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ummmm... why are you talking to rocks?

Rocks? I thought I was talkign to sand.

OlympicStalker1 votes

Actually i google searched it, you were talking to atoms hmmmmm...

The Highest Noon1 votes

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Actually i google searched it, you were talking to atoms hmmmmm...

I googled that and they returned a picture of an atomizer and boy did I not know that was the name of perfume bottles...

The Highest Noon1 votes

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https://i.imgur.com/14COhR2.png

THAT'S WHAT I SAID physically

The Goodest Boy2 votes

Nah. It's definitely about birds being able to fly after dropping a poop on your car. It's birds. They do some wild shit then fly away.

regardless of the other shit we were talking about, this gave me quite a laugh

birds really just be doing some wild shit and fucking booking it. crazy bastards

The Highest Noon2 votes

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regardless of the other shit we were talking about, this gave me quite a laugh

birds really just be doing some wild shit and fucking booking it. crazy bastards

There's a video of a seagull walking into a store and stealing a bag of chips.

Exin02 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=R9jYqY41,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2019-01-03T18:21:43.122+0000)

Assassins have a get out of jail free card. That's literally something that defines an assassin--a reliable method of leaving after going in.

Y'all complaining about basic shit lol "Why do assassins have escapes?" "Why do tanks survive so long?" "Why does CC keep me from moving?" "Why do ADCs have so much range?" "Why is Teemo cancer?"

Like, the answers are literally in the subject. You are an assassin because you have an escape. You are a tank because you can take hits. You are an ADC because you have ranged attack damage. Teemo is cancer.

You can complain. You can also get over life.

why? assassins should not have reliable escape they should pick off lonely targets and be uterly garbage in teamfight not dive into get kill a get out all under second...

The Highest Noon3 votes

Why not? That's literally what defines a character as an assassin. If they don't have the mobility, they're not an assassin.

Fun Fact: Ahri is an Assassin.

FSRER1 votes

And you think that this damage they do right now should be allowed? Yeah zed would always go in kill and get out BUT he relied to 2 items to do that, always. Right now i have 800 hp left oh, zed comes with item 3134 item 3133 and 1 shots me without ult or ignite. YAY!!!!!

Not to mention akali here WHO CAN BE UNDER YOUR TURRENT ATTACKING YOU AND YOU CANT REACT .YEAH THAT THING.

The Highest Noon1 votes

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And you think that this damage they do right now should be allowed? Yeah zed would always go in kill and get out BUT he relied to 2 items to do that, always. Right now i have 800 hp left oh, zed comes with item 3134 item 3133 and 1 shots me without ult or ignite. YAY!!!!!

Not to mention akali here WHO CAN BE UNDER YOUR TURRENT ATTACKING YOU AND YOU CANT REACT .YEAH THAT THING.

If Zed with only two items no ult and did 800 damage that means you took all his attacks to the face. That's a you problem.

Not even gonna argue your flawed Akali logic. If you can't react, I think you're slow.

15421 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Highest Noon,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=R9jYqY41,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-01-03T17:54:57.338+0000)

"I wish things with wings didn't fly! That's so stupid! Oh, you're on the ground bird? NOW YOU'RE GONNA FLY AWAY FUCK" -You right now

Assassins go in, do damage, get out. If they didn't have a reliable escape, guess what? You're not playing an assassin.

that's dumb, old talon could go in and try to kill the adc but if he missplay he was fked, you did e>q>w>r or r>w to proc the whole combo but if the adc flashes away or someone helped it, you had no escape besides your flash, if it was on cd that was it, i get what OP says, assassins now have a way to safe playstyle stealth champs abuse the mechanic nowadays since they can't be revealed by trinkets or wards just spotted, i play fighters top, and it's a pain whenever i lane against akali cuz she just shrouds and runs away if shrouds is on cd then keeps distance and it protects her even inside turret range which is ridiculous.

The Highest Noon1 votes

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that's dumb, old talon could go in and try to kill the adc but if he missplay he was fked, you did e>q>w>r or r>w to proc the whole combo but if the adc flashes away or someone helped it, you had no escape besides your flash, if it was on cd that was it, i get what OP says, assassins now have a way to safe playstyle stealth champs abuse the mechanic nowadays since they can't be revealed by trinkets or wards just spotted, i play fighters top, and it's a pain whenever i lane against akali cuz she just shrouds and runs away if shrouds is on cd then keeps distance and it protects her even inside turret range which is ridiculous.

Old Talon also had a silence, bleed on-demand, teleport, damage buffer, and could one shot your entire team at the same time without counterplay. Case in point: he had an escape. Every single dedicated assassin in this game has an escape, because what defines an assassin is the fact that they have escapes. That's just the way it is.

RevertCritOrAFK17 votes

Evelynn sorry did i get in a bad spot Presses R Well back to the jungle. Fizz did i kill your adc? sorry E's Q to minion wave Kayn just lemme walk through that wall Pyke being invisible on a non ulti cooldown on a assassin sounds fun Shaco same thing here

Dr Dog2 votes

cant really agree with eve tbh, her escape is tied to her execute so theres a really even trade-off and shacos q is usually used to engage so it should be on cooldown for you to burst him before he has a chance to escape

Cunky3 votes

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Evelynn sorry did i get in a bad spot Presses R Well back to the jungle. Fizz did i kill your adc? sorry E's Q to minion wave Kayn just lemme walk through that wall Pyke being invisible on a non ulti cooldown on a assassin sounds fun Shaco same thing here

Evelynn's only mobility is her ultimate, which is 9 times out of 10 going to be used as a combo finisher anyways.

Fizz cannot just kill your adc with just his W and R. He has to use his E and Q during the combo, and they won't be up in time for him to get cc chained anyways.

Kayn is on a long cooldown and shows you if he's in the wall with the ball thing.

Pyke has a sound AND visual indicator for his W.

Shaco has his only mobility on the very short range short stealth ability. And even if you put points into it, the stealth still isn't very long, and you would be missing out of damage on other abilities.

Somebody Love Me3 votes

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Evelynn sorry did i get in a bad spot Presses R Well back to the jungle. Fizz did i kill your adc? sorry E's Q to minion wave Kayn just lemme walk through that wall Pyke being invisible on a non ulti cooldown on a assassin sounds fun Shaco same thing here

Leblanc oh i didnt kill that guy. Welp blink back to W pad or just use my ult W to get out

Modl Ryden l17 votes

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RainXBlade1 votes

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Bent Pixels13 votes

Ekko hello

MissMikasa3 votes

Ekko is a skirmisher, not an assassin, and only has his ult as his reliable escape.

While the others (Ahri is a mage), have multiple dashes, blinks, invisiblity, etc.

Daddy Ants2 votes

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Ekko is a skirmisher, not an assassin, and only has his ult as his reliable escape.

While the others (Ahri is a mage), have multiple dashes, blinks, invisiblity, etc.

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Assassin_champion

The League Client also says Ekko is an Assassin.

Ahri is listed as a Mage in the game client.

Diana is listed as a Fighter in the game client.

https://i.gyazo.com/e499cf7e4da2b8cd48cc5801d0d22986.png

https://i.gyazo.com/f55b143cf85635cdb0ebcd5e9007799c.png

For all the people who say Diana is an Assassin, she isn't.

https://i.gyazo.com/f9d53d1a95cac61ffdb639424896bc5e.png

Sir Saltarin7 votes

You say that but you ignore the one that we should complain about: Pyke is too hard to punish for his mistakes.

ff 20 please ty5 votes

and who do you play into these champions?

AirKingNeo8 votes

mages, he plays mages probably.

ff 20 please ty4 votes

i see that is a good assumption because most of these have counters

aqours fanboy4 votes

Almost like they are intended to get in and out by design.

Champions that can only go in (i.e: Wukong, Diana) suck dick because they can't get out and they are countered by just being tanky/having resistances.

So let's not, shall we?

The thigh guy6 votes

[{quoted}](name=aqours fanboy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=R9jYqY41,comment-id=000e,timestamp=2019-01-03T20:50:11.680+0000)

Almost like they are intended to get in and out by design.

Champions that can only go in (i.e: Wukong, Diana) suck dick because they can't get out and they are countered by just being tanky/having resistances.

So let's not, shall we?

No let’s. The assassin class in general is just aids.

What is the counterplay to “zed dives behind my entire fucking team, presses r. Misses his q, spins (which isn’t dodgeable at this point) auto attack ignite, and then TELEPORTS BACK TO SAFETY, with zero reprocutions”?

Oh I suppose I missplayed by existing in a world where zed is a thing.

aqours fanboy2 votes

The counterplay is having your summoners up, having items that help to counter champions such as Zed directly (item 3157), or if you cannot build them, you stand with your protectors (tanks, supports that can heal or that have items such as item 3109 , item 3190 , item 3107 , etc.) that have the stats/kit to mitgate/prevent Zed from fulfilling his objective of killing a priority target.

Assassins are designed to be pick champions, punishing ill-advised positioning on the map and in the fight. I am not understanding why an assassin expunges their whole kit to risk themselves on killing a target that's mis-positioned from the team that is usually a ranged champ. Without this class, priority targets like ADCs don't have much to fear in terms of dying, as nobody else has the movement options to safely get in, deal damage, and get out without going through the front-line.

QQing just because you keep dying to an assassin isn't a good reason for a class to be aids.

The thigh guy3 votes

[{quoted}](name=aqours fanboy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=R9jYqY41,comment-id=000e00000000,timestamp=2019-01-03T23:05:55.500+0000)

The counterplay is having your summoners up, having items that help to counter champions such as Zed directly (item 3157), or if you cannot build them, you stand with your protectors (tanks, supports that can heal or that have items such as item 3109 , item 3190 , item 3107 , etc.) that have the stats/kit to mitgate/prevent Zed from fulfilling his objective of killing a priority target.

Assassins are designed to be pick champions, punishing ill-advised positioning on the map and in the fight. I am not understanding why an assassin expunges their whole kit to risk themselves on killing a target that's mis-positioned from the team that is usually a ranged champ. Without this class, priority targets like ADCs don't have much to fear in terms of dying, as nobody else has the movement options to safely get in, deal damage, and get out without going through the front-line.

QQing just because you keep dying to an assassin isn't a good reason for a class to be aids.

Except everywhere is out of position.

And your saying my counterplay options is to use multiple relatively high cooldown items and summoners while their cooldowns are almost non existent? Okay. Totally makes sense. Except not.

Also sitting in your team doesn’t work, when every assassin have 8 dashes 4 blinks a gap closer and a free escape naturally built into their kit.

Maybe if they had any risk they’d be even remotely balanced. But when a zed can dive into 5 people like a absolute chimp, instant kill someone with no time to react and blink back out, I draw the line.

If he had to dive into 5 people, kill someone and then actually do something other than head butt his r key to escape its be slightly more balanced. But until then no.

Shields are shit now and everyone knows it. Support champions with heals are boarderline worthless in this current meta, and protection champions can’t do anything in this instant gib cluster fuck.

OlympicStalker1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=R9jYqY41,comment-id=000e000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-03T23:15:49.189+0000)

Except everywhere is out of position.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

OlympicStalker2 votes

Ok, let me share my secret cheat code:

  1. Start a league game
  2. press "P"
  3. Search "armor"
  4. buy Armor

Or just buy:

AD champs: item 3026 , item 3047 , item 3812 Mage: item 3157 , item 3047

Im sorry your full lethality soraka died to an assassin, maybe next time try to build something that works against the enemy team. Armor actually works ^_^

The thigh guy6 votes

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Ok, let me share my secret cheat code:

  1. Start a league game
  2. press "P"
  3. Search "armor"
  4. buy Armor

Or just buy:

AD champs: item 3026 , item 3047 , item 3812 Mage: item 3157 , item 3047

Im sorry your full lethality soraka died to an assassin, maybe next time try to build something that works against the enemy team. Armor actually works ^_^

Except armor doesn’t work when it’s by default reduced by 24%, then by a further 35% because lord dominiks, then by even more when they stack lethality out their ass.

Hate to tell you, tank stats are absolute garbage because EVERYTHING ignores them.

OlympicStalker2 votes

Ok, you don't like armor dont buy armor. But have you ever heard about the "YoU wIlL nEvEr OnE sHoT mE" combo™?

the "YoU wIlL nEvEr OnE sHoT mE" combo™ gives you everything you need against assassins: sustain, armor and 2 secounds more to live!

All you need is: item 3812 , item 3026 , item 3157 , item 3046 , item 3047 , item 3075 With the "YoU wIlL nEvEr OnE sHoT mE" combo™ all your assassin problems will dissapear!

So what are you waiting for?! Go and get your own "YoU wIlL nEvEr OnE sHoT mE" combo™. Now in your closest shops on the rift!(batteries not included. i am not responsible for the flame/shit you are going to get from the team/enemy).

Ok srsly tho: armor does help, it will reduce the burst + if the enemy assassin goes for the adc(item 3026, item 3812, item 3047 ) that is standing in the backline, the assassin won't deal enough dmg and maybe run away or just die or the adc just fcking dies because the assassin is fed af. fed assassins are opressive af when they are fed(who isn't lol) but things like armor that only buys you 2(more or less) more secounds is enough for your team to cc or kill the assassin.

sorry for the typos...

The thigh guy2 votes

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Ok, you don't like armor dont buy armor. But have you ever heard about the "YoU wIlL nEvEr OnE sHoT mE" combo™?

the "YoU wIlL nEvEr OnE sHoT mE" combo™ gives you everything you need against assassins: sustain, armor and 2 secounds more to live!

All you need is: item 3812 , item 3026 , item 3157 , item 3046 , item 3047 , item 3075 With the "YoU wIlL nEvEr OnE sHoT mE" combo™ all your assassin problems will dissapear!

So what are you waiting for?! Go and get your own "YoU wIlL nEvEr OnE sHoT mE" combo™. Now in your closest shops on the rift!(batteries not included. i am not responsible for the flame/shit you are going to get from the team/enemy).

Ok srsly tho: armor does help, it will reduce the burst + if the enemy assassin goes for the adc(item 3026, item 3812, item 3047 ) that is standing in the backline, the assassin won't deal enough dmg and maybe run away or just die or the adc just fcking dies because the assassin is fed af. fed assassins are opressive af when they are fed(who isn't lol) but things like armor that only buys you 2(more or less) more secounds is enough for your team to cc or kill the assassin.

sorry for the typos...

Okay. There is one issue with your adc build. Adc is already so strapped for gold. They can’t offord that. Tabis maybe, but that isn’t even close to enough. The other two they don’t have any opportunity to build until their 5th and 6th items. Also. Deaths dance doesn’t actually help that much. It basically just converts 15% of the assassins damage into true damage (which I guess sorta helps with zed).

Pd isn’t reliable or close to good enough to build because you have to get an attack off first.

And your “haha you’ll never kill me” build will only work on one champion. Maybe. And that’s kai’sa.

OlympicStalker1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=R9jYqY41,comment-id=000e00000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-04T00:36:09.944+0000)

Okay. There is one issue with your adc build. Adc is already so strapped for gold. They can’t offord that. Tabis maybe, but that isn’t even close to enough.

yeah maybe the item 3812 is too much, but items like item 3026 (2800) and item 3047 (800) are not expensive lol. the GA is more than enough to shut down any assassin. diving the adc in the backline with fcking GA is suicide.

[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=R9jYqY41,comment-id=000e00000001000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-04T00:36:09.944+0000)

And your “haha you’ll never kill me” build will only work on one champion. Maybe. And that’s kai’sa.

i was memeing lol

The thigh guy3 votes

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yeah maybe the item 3812 is too much, but items like item 3026 (2800) and item 3047 (800) are not expensive lol. the GA is more than enough to shut down any assassin. diving the adc in the backline with fcking GA is suicide.

i was memeing lol

You can’t really get a ga until you get your core. And if you rush the ga first, you’re worthless til you get the core items. And for it to be useful, you need the ga before the assassin finishes their core items. Which are some of the cheapest.

2Charmnot2Charm1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=R9jYqY41,comment-id=000e0000,timestamp=2019-01-03T20:56:15.395+0000)

No let’s. The assassin class in general is just aids.

What is the counterplay to “zed dives behind my entire fucking team

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LepAxNnt7NI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wVUdD34m_E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASKlN3ysbjc

Geez I wonder why it's important to know where zed appears the second his ult animation is over since he can't return to his ult shadow for 1 second.

  1. Don't even try to discredit that counterplay cause Ahri died twice, since the malphite could have easily prevented them if he wasn't trolling her. Edge of night blocked charm in the second vid but A. you're not going to see that item till late game. and B. If anyone else followed Ahri's lead, zed would have died instantly before touching anyone.

  2. Any mid laner with cc (in fact anyone on the team with cc works too) can do this.

  3. Did you ever try hourglassing right before his animation is done so the ult doesn't apply it's pop effect on you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrSDG6YABJs&feature=youtu.be Zed might have time to set up 3 q's if it were a 1v1, but in team fights that won't always be the case and even then you removed the pop part of his ultimate so you don't need to worry about that finishing you off.

I should mention that if zed places his W down before using ult he can dodge whatever cc by using his W shadow swap, or he can just flash, but if he does do 1 of those 2 options I doubt he will be dealing max damage to you.

Out of all the assassins in the game Zed is the easiest one to deal with BY FAR, quit complaining about no counterplay when you continuously refuse to learn said counterplay.

The thigh guy2 votes

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LepAxNnt7NI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wVUdD34m_E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASKlN3ysbjc

Geez I wonder why it's important to know where zed appears the second his ult animation is over since he can't return to his ult shadow for 1 second.

  1. Don't even try to discredit that counterplay cause Ahri died twice, since the malphite could have easily prevented them if he wasn't trolling her. Edge of night blocked charm in the second vid but A. you're not going to see that item till late game. and B. If anyone else followed Ahri's lead, zed would have died instantly before touching anyone.

  2. Any mid laner with cc (in fact anyone on the team with cc works too) can do this.

  3. Did you ever try hourglassing right before his animation is done so the ult doesn't apply it's pop effect on you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrSDG6YABJs&feature=youtu.be Zed might have time to set up 3 q's if it were a 1v1, but in team fights that won't always be the case and even then you removed the pop part of his ultimate so you don't need to worry about that finishing you off.

I should mention that if zed places his W down before using ult he can dodge whatever cc by using his W shadow swap, or he can just flash, but if he does do 1 of those 2 options I doubt he will be dealing max damage to you.

Out of all the assassins in the game Zed is the easiest one to deal with BY FAR, quit complaining about no counterplay when you continuously refuse to learn said counterplay.

Yup. I’ll get right on that zhonyas (Insert ad champion here).

And yeah. He appears in the same place. But again. His cooldowns are low. And unless you are lissandra or malzahaar mid lane. Chances are you don’t have the cc needed to stop him considering he needs under a second to get his combo off (seeing as he doesn’t need to land his q)

MissMikasa3 votes

I agree with the main argument of this post which is assassins having too many escapes but I want to let you know-

Ahri is not an assassin. She's classified as a mage. But she's one of those special ones that kind of border between the two, kind of like Diana.

fire2631 votes

First of all, I kinda died at the last part when you said kassadin flashes the misplay, definitely not his ultimate, nope, that 300 second spell that everyone NOT just assassins have.

These champions (minus ahri, shes supposed to be a mage) are assassins. Assassins are supposed to be able to get out of fights, it's just their nature. It's like complaining common sense things, such as why does 1+1=2. They are literally assassins, intended to go in, AND THEN GET OUT.

The thigh guy4 votes

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First of all, I kinda died at the last part when you said kassadin flashes the misplay, definitely not his ultimate, nope, that 300 second spell that everyone NOT just assassins have.

These champions (minus ahri, shes supposed to be a mage) are assassins. Assassins are supposed to be able to get out of fights, it's just their nature. It's like complaining common sense things, such as why does 1+1=2. They are literally assassins, intended to go in, AND THEN GET OUT.

Except in a game like this there HAS to be a reasonable window to punish this. There currently isn’t without a malzahar or lissandra on your team.

In their current state the winner is the team with more assassins because how can you beat them if they are designed to kill you and get out? Then repeat because “Lul cooldowns”

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