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What champ is item dependent? (2016, 6.12)

Shiromi··3 votes·1,966 views

I'm actually extremely curious about who the most and least item dependent champion in the league at patch 6.12.

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This is mostly since i'm playing Azir and I get yelled at over and over again that since he's a mage he doesn't need items that much to do damage like most mages according to them.

So a little annoyed that I get yelled at that I do no damage with Azir early game when I'm trying to help jungler from being killed in our jungle and that every single one steals creeps from my lane early to mid game, then get yelled at when I ask them why the steal/tax so much, they always come back with "You're a mage, Mages aren't as item dependent" :c ((Sorry for text, i'm just trying to explain why I got so curious about this topic and why I want to know more with the help of the community, could be good information in-game too ^^'))

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Sooooo, who are the most/least item dependent in top, mid, bot, jungle? :3

10 Comments

Marshbouy4 votes

Tanks with CC dont have much item dependency. That guy is just an idiot. A naked mage will be dealing no damage, they get damage off scalings, not off base stats. Or at least should. (cough ekko cough).

wait what the fuck? The jungler is taxing you gold and saying "mages aren't item dependent"? What the literal fuck? People pick junglers who aren't item dependent because its easy to get zoned out of your jungle. That guy is an idiot.

Defended2 votes

Fiddlesticks needs absolutely no items to kill someone.

Kassadin is definitly item reliant. I think he needs a buff too.

MistroTTC2 votes

Who thinks that Azir isn't item dependent, seriously do people know that little about him. Also I would say that Bard is the least item dependent champ in the game, as you can literally have nothing but your hook and you would still be useful due to the sheer power of it late game, and all he gets from items is tankiness, which is nice but he doesn't need it, or burst, and thats what the rest of his team is for.

BeeCuz2 votes

End-game builds for Azir https://s6.postimg.org/if9mtkrf5/build_Order_Azir.png

http://champion.gg/champion/Azir

Dominick Destine1 votes

All champs are item dependent but as for the least, I'd say; Fiddlesticks he really only needs one item, but even without it he is always annoying.

Shahamut1 votes

Skarner is HUGELY item dependent. His base stats and base damages are not high enough to cause real damage or be even relatively tanky. I would be willing to bet he is one of the MOST item dependent champions.

Seriously, until you have a Sheen item (IBG or Trinity) and Tier 2 boots, he doesn't have a lot going for him.

67chrome1 votes

Sooooo, who are the most/least item dependent in top, mid, bot, jungle? :3

Main reason mages aren't the most item-dependent champions in the game is that pretty much every mage deals ~1000 base damage with their QWER combo @18. To deal double damage you need ~450 AP: which is a fairly difficult within a typical 33 minute 11,000 gold-per-player game, making heavy itemization on mages capable of not much beyond doubling their offensive power.

That said: there's a major difference between OHKOing an opponent with a QWER vs. dropping them to 10%, which is likely why the scaling is so slow with mage itemization. Getting that extra 10% offers a considerable power-spike vs. not-having it.

In the pro-scene mid-lanners also tend to get the most gold and most farm of anyone though, so I wouln't just let someone talk you out of it.

For heavy item dependency:

The more AA reliant a champion is and the less burst they get in their QWER, the more item dependent they tend to be.

Unlike the 1000 QWER damage @18, the average level 18 AD is ~100, and ~110 for most AA heavy champions, with a 1.0 second AS. With just 110 AD such champions double their AA DPS to 220, which isn't that far off from 1 item. WIth 150% AS (due to how AS scales), AA heavy champions double their AA DPS again, from 220 to 440. With 66.67% Crit along with IE's crit damage amp, AA champions double their AA DPS again, from 440 to 880. With 50%+50 armor penetration, AA champions effectively double their AA DPS to the equivalent of 1760 (assuming 100 armor / 50% damage reduction on opponents).

Marksman are generally the most item-dependent class due to the exponential scaling avalible from itemization, though the consistancy provided by good base damage and a solid QWER usually makes the caster-heavy, less heavily scaling marksman better and more reliable within any given meta, favoring half-mage marksman like Lucian, Ezreal, Corkie, and Graves more than committed AA marksman like Vayne, Tristana, Twitch, and Jinx.

As for no item dependency:

Massive utility is usually what causes that.

Pretty much every damaging skill in LoL has itemization scalings tied to it, where a 2 second stun is generally a 2 second stun regardless of what items are or are not purchased. As such, kits with a ton of utility and supportive qualities tend to be the ones reliant on the least amount of items to function properly in late-game, due to CDR often being the only stat that makes any kind of difference in the midst of combat.

Another factor with no item dependency is that a champion is simply all about early-game, a phase when hardly anyone has any items and as such scaling means very little.

Such champions aren't item reliant more due to there time to shine being before items can really be had over there interactions with scaling, which is still technically being really good without items.

Sooooo, who are the most/least item dependent in top, mid, bot, jungle? :3

Most item dependent in these lanes would be (or at least these are in the top 5 for the lane):

Tryndamere Top MasterYi Jungle Kassadin Yasuo Mid Vayne Bot Velkoz Support

Least item dependent (or bottom 5 for the lane):

Maokai Nautilus Top Shaco Jungle Annie MorganaZyra Mid Corki Bot JannaThresh Alistar Support

Mecha MaIphite1 votes

you just have a shit jungler

a competent should be able to go leashless on most champs anyway

9L9L9L9L9L9L9L1 votes

Imho Illaoi

Chicken Sailor1 votes

Gangplank doesn't do much of anything without items

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