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disregardable1 votes

Probably better off with a BT than a black cleaver, You're never gonna use that passive, and triforce already gives you Phage's passive. Swap the Shiv for Ghostblade if you want more CDR.

Kaxi1 votes

I'd actually argue that Lucian is one of the better Black Cleaver users since his ultimate does physical damage, proc'ing the Black Cleaver debuffs and movement. It's the Trinity Force that I believe it wasted and should be replaced with Bloodthirster. Or, hell, throw in a Youmuu's Ghostblade for the Armor Pen and Active+Ult OPness.

Serevas1 votes

I think last whisper is a far better option than cleaver. You can only stack up cleaver with your ultimate once in a fight, and even then it's usually only on a single person.

I think I'd look for a build to look like this if OP wanted to stick with TriForce item 3078 item 3508 item 3142 item 3035 item 3006 Then last item could be any of the following: item 3072 item 3031 item 3153 item 3026 item 3139

Kaxi1 votes

I actually like Black Cleaver in addition to Last Whisper.

Serevas1 votes

I can see it in addition to, but with the current top lane champions, you're likely to have a cleaver on your team anyway, and it works better in their kit than in Lucian's. It's certainly always an option, and it's never really a detriment to have more than one on your team for faster stacking, but it just feels like there are better options for an ADC to pick up in my opinion anyway.

Serevas1 votes

Well you have double phage in there, which I guess isn't the worst wasted passive in the world.

I'm not a big fan of black cleaver on ADCs Last Whisper works far better and gives more armor penetration, while it's also instantaneous rather than having to stack it up. Essence Reaver is actually a fine item for an earlier powerspike than BT, but it looked like you were building towards BT anyway, which confuses me.

I know there are people who like the Trinity Force Lucian build, I'm not a fan because of how long it takes to do any damage, as I assume TriForce was your first item. It has some pretty good synergy with Lucian's kit because you're supposed to be weaving your spell into your auto attacks, but it just feels like Lucian takes so much longer to ramp up to a threat, rather than grabbing bigger damage items earlier and running for an infinity edge or BT instead.

I at the very least would suggest Last whisper in place of Black Cleaver, it just works better on ADCs. Not to mention that you'll typically have a Black Cleaver on your team with the current meta anyway.

PimpKing1 votes

thnx just wanned to try something new :D

Serevas1 votes

Build diversity in adcs? That's just crazy talk.

Kaxi1 votes

That doesn't look crit-independent to me. A high-CDR low-crit build, in my eyes, would be something like this (which I've built)...

Boots of Lucidity, Youmuu's Ghostblade, Bloodthirtster, Blade of the Ruined King, Essence Reaver, and one of Trinity Force/Black Cleaver/Last Whisper. Core: item 3158 + item 3142 + item 3072 + item 3153 + item 3508 Finisher: item 3078 + item 3071 + item 3035

Another note, you're double-stacking on Rage passives with TF and BC. I'd recommend Youmuu's instead of BC /or/ TF since the active used just before the ultimate gives it a massive spike in dps. Also, if you go Black Cleaver on top of the build, Berserker's Greaves of course are better than Lucidity.

Sasogwa1 votes

Not enough damage. A classic crit lucian just does much more sustained damage. Also it depends a bit on stacking the BC on targets

MLDzXnRRR1 votes

ER, IE, LW, BC, BORK, sold boots for Trinity - this was my build in one game vs many tanks...

Crowe Stalker1 votes

I'm disappointed not to see item 3153 in those builds. It's really funny to go full combo and utilize your passive to surprise absolutely anyone with your on-hit damage. Even in his less-than-perfect state I've still surprised (Low Elo) people with just item 3153 item 3087 and forced summoner 4

Of course I'm Low Elo so it might not be efficient but I honestly find it kinda fun. Is that wrong?

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