Riot please nerf these health stacking mid laners

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So I'm quite fed up with this shit in mid lane. It's so annoying in mid where mages are very often stacking health with these AP+health items and holy shit it's annoying. Syndra for example is supposed to do damage but also be a squishy back line mage. It's not fair for them to also be able to stack health and not lose any damage by doing it. Just stupid. Kennen does a fuck ton of damage while also stacking all this health from protobelt and rylais, and he's basically another tank. Rito pls. Mages are supposed to be squishy but deal a ton of damage. They shouldn't get both tankiness and the damage of an ADC. This shit keeps putting more champs out of meta. Basically all assassins and any sort of burst mage can go flying fuck themselves because this health stacking cock blocks all of them. Now on to solutions. One of the biggest things would be to nerf the health of these items like protobelt, GPL, and others. An indirect nerf could be to kindlegem and catalyst. You could also buff items that are usually core to other champs. These would be increasing the AP amounts on mage items like zhonyas, abysal sceptre. I think a very efficient way to solve this is giving bork a buff again. From 6%-8 or 10. How about it? How do you guys think this would work out?

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McFatal1 votes

been saying kennen needs his items nerfed or his damage nerfed for the past week and all i get are downvotes by silver 5 support mains who have never laned vs the fucking guy much less seen a d5 kennen player in action.

Dark Nephthys1 votes

No, do not nerf the HP from the AP items because they aren't the problem. Mages with AP/HP items are still really squishy and will still die if focused. The only AP/HP item that might need nerfs which is getting looked at right now is item 3116.

Premium Fuel1 votes

You could say that about almost any champ really. The point is that it takes you that much longer to kill them. And if you don't have someone to quickly engage and lock down that person, it may be hard to focus them. And that extra time you took trying to kill them probably just let their team kill the rest of yours.

And in all honesty, when you get to load up on Protobelt/GPL, and Rylais, you basically have the health of a Maokai, but you still do just as much damage as a normal AP Carry. You still get 160 AP off those two items, and 700 more health, which is just so damn big. And that build is core on Kennen, Aurelion Sol, and some others I can't name off the top of my head right now. Not to mention, Protobelt and GPL are extremely cheap items. 2500 Gold for that much stuff is so good. GPL is 3000 but that is still quite cheap compared to the other big AP items.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

hmm build items or play champs that do % hp damage or negate healing

Premium Fuel1 votes

The only item that does %health damage is Bork and as I said, it got overnerfed. And champs are getting their %health damage nerfed so that assassins aren't built tank.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

hmm apparently you dont know of item 3151 or item 3165

so maybe a build of item 3165 item 3151 item 3116 item 3089 item 3135 item 3020

and take summoner 14 summoner 4

Premium Fuel1 votes

Morellos doesn't do %health damage. Liandry's is not an efficient item on any champ. It's very champ specific to ones that have some kind of burn or something to scale with it. Just grabing it on any champ is very inefficient. Plus it's only 6% over 3 seconds. So if you don't have some kind of burn to constantly use the passive, it's a very inefficient buy, especially when you typically need a zhonya's or an abysal sceptre.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

i said get items that do % hp damage and negate healling .... item 3165 negates healing... and the combo of item 3116 item 3151 is stupid strong and can be used on all ap champs and you through in item 3135 item 3089

you end up with 100ap+100ap+80ap+70ap+120ap(+35% bonus ap) for a total of 470(+35%) 470+165 = 635 AP from items and 30 flat magic pen , + 35% magic pen 700 hp plus the passive of item 3116 and item 3151 and item 3165 plus the mana from item 3165 and cdr

you add in 8 flat magic pen from runes, +15 ap from quints and either cdr blues or ap per lvl blues you increase your over all cdr or ap

if you cant kill anything with those stats then maybe mage isnt for you

Dark Nephthys1 votes

I will admit that item 3152 is a little strong on some mages, but to pretend that you would have as much HP as a Maokai is a bit much. Some times the mages need these extra HP to even have a chance to survive the Assassins (which are all going to probably be insane with their update), or the ADCs in the late game.

Besides...AD champions have a lot of options when it comes to AD/HP almost as much as Mages with their AP/HP

AP/HP Items: item 3030 item 3152 item 3151 item 3027 item 3116 item 3060

AD/HP items: item 3022 item 3053 item 3071 item 3748 item 3078

Besides all the mages items only give HP for defensive options, which HP is so easy to counter. There is a lot of champions, and items that have %HP damage so stacking HP is really not going to help to much...It might get you alive for 1-2 more skills or auto attacks from an ADC.

Premium Fuel1 votes

2 more skills is actually a fuck ton extra. Skills have CDs and even if the skill is on a 2-3 second CD, that's still an extra 4-6 seconds. Same with the auto attacks. 2-3 more auto attacks can make a huge difference (It's going to be more than 1 or 2). if the average ADC attack speed is ~1.5, that's 2 more seconds in a fight, which is more of a difference than you think. Btw, triforce and black cleaver have not much health, only 200. Hydra, Steraks, and Frozen Mallet are balanced because they give a really low amount of AD. Yasuo is the only busted champ with frozen mallet, he's getting his own nerfs.

And mages are supposed to be early and mid game focused champs. Since ADC's are usually best in the late game, it is incredibly unfair for a mage, that is supposed to be early and mid game focused, gets the health to counter that.

All Skillzz1 votes

went legendary with this build on ap ezreal item 3027 item 3100 item 3146 item 3116 item 3089 item 3020 running 30% cdr runes to get 40% at 18 i had around 900 ap 3k hp 40% cdr lol.

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