Can we take a vote for Riot... We should nerf Garen officially... He can just Q, E, then R then any champion is dead. Whether or not the Garen fed or is fed, by the time 20 minutes come along he is unbeatable. Please nerf his base damage and health regen. It's honestly getting ridiculous. 
360D3GR3SS3 votesHe also has to run at you and stay ontop of you the whole time hes doing it.
TjBoY1 votesHe also has to run at you and stay ontop of you the whole time hes doing it.
Yeah, well his Q sure is good for that. If they're going to nerf Garen don't nerf his 35% movement speed to 30%. That's exactly what they did. How is that a nerf.
360D3GR3SS1 votesI don't think you understand that there is this thing called a team that can help you control Garen via any form of CC.
magic pole3 votesAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
another one of these people.
Get it through your head:
Garen is now WEAKER early game than post-rework, in return for a stronger late game. Pre-20min garen is weaker than he ever was.
The only caveat to this is the new items, but guess what! You have access to these items too! Just pick better and stop sucking against the easiest champ in the game, Garen, except for possibly pantheon.
except Garen's motives are way more telegraphed. Like the single most telegraphed champion in league.
QQ MORE . or get Q'd for demacia, bitch
WildJester1 votesHes strong early and late game. the end
TjBoY1 votes[{quoted}](name=magic pole,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QlBZMFkn,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2015-10-19T02:27:52.709+0000)
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
another one of these people.
Get it through your head:
Garen is now WEAKER early game than post-rework, in return for a stronger late game. Pre-20min garen is weaker than he ever was.
The only caveat to this is the new items, but guess what! You have access to these items too! Just pick better and stop sucking against the easiest champ in the game, Garen, except for possibly pantheon.
except Garen's motives are way more telegraphed. Like the single most telegraphed champion in league.
QQ MORE . or get Q'd for demacia, bitch
You act like he's squishy. He is definitely not weaker first of all, and second, before you go and call somebody a bitch, do research. Have you played against one recently? The recent Juggernaut update just made him stronger.
magic pole1 voteshe's not squishy. don't expect to kill garen in lane. his passive is one of the best specifically laning passives in the game. it sounds to me like you just aren't very good at laning
and yeah i have played against the new garen. "a platinum one!!! WHAT REALLY?! HOLY CRAP!" worst case scenario: he shoves you to your turret and then you get free farm. meanwhile his roams still suck ass because he's garen. Useless unless he burns flash. Ping mia and ur mid isn't a complete dumbass and then drops a ward and hangs on bot side of mid lane...
and yes, he is in fact weaker early game, do your fucken research, bitch
Croanin2 votes[{quoted}](name=magic pole,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=QlBZMFkn,comment-id=000300010000,timestamp=2015-10-19T02:36:27.746+0000)
he's not squishy. don't expect to kill garen in lane. his passive is one of the best specifically laning passives in the game. it sounds to me like you just aren't very good at laning
and yeah i have played against the new garen. "a platinum one!!! WHAT REALLY?! HOLY CRAP!" worst case scenario: he shoves you to your turret and then you get free farm. meanwhile his roams still suck ass because he's garen. Useless unless he burns flash. Ping mia and ur mid isn't a complete dumbass and then drops a ward and hangs on bot side of mid lane...
and yes, he is in fact weaker early game, do your fucken research, bitch
Dont gotta be an ass about it. Yeah Garen is weaker, but it reminds me a lot of Nasus if you don't dump him within that small time frame he just becomes a pain to deal with unless you have someone suited for the match up. For example Irelia can split against him easily as long as she's not the villain.
My beef with Garen is no matter what the guy ends with a positive KDA, like 8/5 because he just doesn't die. Before the optimal way to build Garen was with minimal defense and abuse his high scaling, at most I would go two tank items. Normally if I wanted to snowball though I'd go Brutalizer > LW or something then 1 defensive item.
Now you can just rush Black Cleaver which gives him damage and bulk, then build full tank and go to town since his base scaling is so high. The whole juggernaut update is a bit misguided imo. First of all they should have released the new items first since champs like Garen and Darius already got stronger due to just TBC. Then I think they simply needed QoL changes.
Juggernaut's are still bruisers and their supposed to build a mix of damage and tank stats. There allowed to do too much damage with just one damage item. Also the obnoxius fact that there both techincally sustained fighters now, Darius with his Decimate and Garen with his lvl 16 passive. If these guys are going to be so hard to kill they shouldn't have that kind of regen.
All of this after Riot finally got tanks back into the mix only to invalidate them again.
JustMyBassCannon2 votesCan we take a vote for Riot... We should nerf Garen officially... He can just Q, E, then R then any champion is dead.
...He has literally always done that in the past.
His late game was made slightly stronger, his early game was made slightly weaker, his CC and mobility got nerfed...and that's pretty much it.
WildJester2 votesI never found him a problem until riot had this great idea to make tank bruiser.....(why darius and garen became op)
JustMyBassCannon2 votesYou mean "viable"
Because, before the Juggernaut update, Darius and Garen were exclusively counter-picks or joke champions.
WildJester2 votesYou saying they werent very good before the Juggernaut update? Cause if so i agree. But after that update it was no balance the banrate was like 5% to 95%.
JustMyBassCannon2 votesBecause, suddenly, bruisers that countered the current meta were strong and viable picks.
That's how a meta works.
WildJester2 votesWell this meta lasted to long lol
WildJester1 votesGaren is so op! He wasn't a big problem before Until these new items came out and they just work SOOO good with him, Hes insanely strong. The game turns into ignore the adc and just focus the garen.
Ultra Animal1 votesGaren used to be my favorite champion until his buffs, no easy champ deserves to have such high kill potential with little risk as he does. I've had ideas for kit reworks but it seems as though garen to remain a "beginner" champ and nothing like a fun combo smashing riven.
tommyagun1 votesI know Riot is looking at cass due to her low play rate and yes garen does need to be nerf in some way. Hopefully they don't do to garen what they did to sej. Sej was double nerf when they cut their w down and when they nerf the crap out of cinderhulk.