Xayah is one of the hardest champs to main right now because her main item, Essence Reaver, was nerfed. Balance team, please reply to me and help me on this topic. Not like you don't know this, but her choose rate is 1.88% and ban rate is 0.04% with quite a low win rate of 47.50%, as I have researched.
Rathar Dashing2 votesShe's got a buff on PBE at the moment. +10-20% attack speed on her W. Seems pretty sizable to me.
Also a nerf to Ezreal, the current best ADC.
The thigh guy1 votes[{quoted}](name=Rathar Dashing,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ql4ZNLrb,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-03-15T04:36:43.084+0000)
She's got a buff on PBE at the moment. +10-20% attack speed on her W. Seems pretty sizable to me.
Also a nerf to Ezreal, the current best ADC.
Currently 18th highest Adc winrate out of 20. But you know. Definetly best adc.
Rathar Dashing3 votesMeanwhile he's pick/ban in every single proplay game I've seen.
The thigh guy2 votes[{quoted}](name=Rathar Dashing,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ql4ZNLrb,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-15T13:34:25.361+0000)
Meanwhile he's pick/ban in every single proplay game I've seen.
Are you in pro play? If not. This argument is irrelevant.
Not to mention. 18/20.
Let that sink in. He is in the lowest 10% of winrates for adc.
Super Galaxy2 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ql4ZNLrb,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-03-15T07:59:52.205+0000)
Currently 18th highest Adc winrate out of 20. But you know. Definetly best adc.
Imagine mustering up the courage to actually imply that general win rate is the only thing that correlates to a champion's performance.
The thigh guy1 votes[{quoted}](name=Dark Står ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ql4ZNLrb,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2019-03-15T16:53:38.642+0000)
Imagine mustering up the courage to actually imply that general win rate is the only thing that correlates to a champion's performance.
Imagine if this was the only statistic we had to go on other than “I found a good Ezreal and he should be nerfed”
Denelix1 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ql4ZNLrb,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-03-15T07:59:52.205+0000)
Currently 18th highest Adc winrate out of 20. But you know. Definetly best adc.
I was about to say the same thing xd
Rock MD2 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ql4ZNLrb,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-03-15T07:59:52.205+0000)
Currently 18th highest Adc winrate out of 20. But you know. Definetly best adc.
Double tear Gauntlet Ezreal is one of the safest champions in the game, but he's also got incredibly strong mixed damage, the capability to 100-0 any squishy champion with an EQW, respectable DPS, and disgusting siege.
He is way overtuned for what he has right now. He scales way too hard, scales too quickly, has too much safety, and a single WQ sends any squishy champ back to base like Season 4 Nidalee. Only he's an actual champion outside of his spears. I know this seeing as he's a champion I'm all too happy to abuse for elo.
He's not only the strongest adc, in high elo he's probably the strongest champion right now.
The thigh guy1 votes[{quoted}](name=Rock MD,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ql4ZNLrb,comment-id=000000000003,timestamp=2019-03-15T17:35:19.170+0000)
Double tear Gauntlet Ezreal is one of the safest champions in the game, but he's also got incredibly strong mixed damage, the capability to 100-0 any squishy champion with an EQW, respectable DPS, and disgusting siege.
He is way overtuned for what he has right now. He scales way too hard, scales too quickly, has too much safety, and a single WQ sends any squishy champ back to base like Season 4 Nidalee. Only he's an actual champion outside of his spears. I know this seeing as he's a champion I'm all too happy to abuse for elo.
He's not only the strongest adc, in high elo he's probably the strongest champion right now.
The stats disagree. And this is from plat+ when players are considered to be relatively good. He’s under a 50% winrate and is 18/20 in placement for winrate. He’s in the lowest winrate in his role.
And oh no. If he hits his entire kit he does a lot of damage. Who would have guessed that a champion who is almost entirely straight line skillshots would do a decent amount of damage.
Rock MD2 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ql4ZNLrb,comment-id=0000000000030000,timestamp=2019-03-15T18:12:47.585+0000)
The stats disagree. And this is from plat+ when players are considered to be relatively good. He’s under a 50% winrate and is 18/20 in placement for winrate. He’s in the lowest winrate in his role.
And oh no. If he hits his entire kit he does a lot of damage. Who would have guessed that a champion who is almost entirely straight line skillshots would do a decent amount of damage.
Lots of very good champions have below a 50% winrate. TK is one of the safest support picks in the game and he sports a 45% winrate. He's still completely awful to play against and vs. the best ADCs in the game he still makes them nigh unkillable and allows them to easily scale up into the late-game.
In Ezreal's case, he was a good champion before his mini-rework as the Double Tear build made him even more difficult to kill (on top of all the defenses he had prior, now he even has a mana-scaling shield), he scaled better, and he was still doing a ton of damage, now with his abilities as well.
Then he got a rework that made him harder to play as now he has no easy-to-use teamwide utility (W gave AS). The caveat is this new ability gave him another AD scaling, the ability to prioritize his E, higher AP ratios, and stronger sieging. Even if his winrate went down, he is objectively better now because he has more tools at his disposal as well as a significantly larger amount of damage.
And no, this is not, "Ezreal does a decent amount of damage." This is, "wow Ezreal scales like an ADC and can stack his basic abilities to burst a target in an assassin's timeframe."
The thigh guy1 votes[{quoted}](name=Rock MD,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ql4ZNLrb,comment-id=00000000000300000000,timestamp=2019-03-15T18:52:22.287+0000)
Lots of very good champions have below a 50% winrate. TK is one of the safest support picks in the game and he sports a 45% winrate. He's still completely awful to play against and vs. the best ADCs in the game he still makes them nigh unkillable and allows them to easily scale up into the late-game.
In Ezreal's case, he was a good champion before his mini-rework as the Double Tear build made him even more difficult to kill (on top of all the defenses he had prior, now he even has a mana-scaling shield), he scaled better, and he was still doing a ton of damage, now with his abilities as well.
Then he got a rework that made him harder to play as now he has no easy-to-use teamwide utility (W gave AS). The caveat is this new ability gave him another AD scaling, the ability to prioritize his E, higher AP ratios, and stronger sieging. Even if his winrate went down, he is objectively better now because he has more tools at his disposal as well as a significantly larger amount of damage.
And no, this is not, "Ezreal does a decent amount of damage." This is, "wow Ezreal scales like an ADC and can stack his basic abilities to burst a target in an assassin's timeframe."
If Ezreal is only winning 47% of the time in what is considered high elo he physically cannot be broken. And Kench isn’t that broken either. He’s safe, but has very little rewards.
And like I said. The bulk of his damage is tied to needing to hit 2 or more straight line skillshots. Straight line skillshots are the easiest kind to dodge. And it’s not like they are incredibly fast like urgot’s ult. They are average speed.
Yes. He is safe. Okay? So is vlad. And akali. And ahri. Those three even more so, and they can quickly put out more damage than him and one has cc that ramps damage even more. Are they broken because they are safe and can deal a lot of damage? No
Rock MD2 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ql4ZNLrb,comment-id=000000000003000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-15T21:51:04.368+0000)
If Ezreal is only winning 47% of the time in what is considered high elo he physically cannot be broken. And Kench isn’t that broken either. He’s safe, but has very little rewards.
And like I said. The bulk of his damage is tied to needing to hit 2 or more straight line skillshots. Straight line skillshots are the easiest kind to dodge. And it’s not like they are incredibly fast like urgot’s ult. They are average speed.
Yes. He is safe. Okay? So is vlad. And akali. And ahri. Those three even more so, and they can quickly put out more damage than him and one has cc that ramps damage even more. Are they broken because they are safe and can deal a lot of damage? No
??? Azir had a 47% winrate and was broken. Ryze had a 45% winrate and was broken. Winrate is a terrible indicator, especially when you've got someone like Azir forcing you off the wave level 4 while also outscaling you.
It literally doesn't matter what their winrates are as winrates are completely correlational, and not causative. The fact of the matter is there is a reason he is pick/ban in competitive and the most popular champion in the game. If people are so fucking terrible they can't abuse his brokenness, that's a them problem, it has nothing to do with the champion.
The thigh guy1 votes[{quoted}](name=Rock MD,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ql4ZNLrb,comment-id=0000000000030000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-15T23:06:33.843+0000)
??? Azir had a 47% winrate and was broken. Ryze had a 45% winrate and was broken. Winrate is a terrible indicator, especially when you've got someone like Azir forcing you off the wave level 4 while also outscaling you.
It literally doesn't matter what their winrates are as winrates are completely correlational, and not causative. The fact of the matter is there is a reason he is pick/ban in competitive and the most popular champion in the game. If people are so fucking terrible they can't abuse his brokenness, that's a them problem, it has nothing to do with the champion.
Azir had a 47% winrate, in bronze. And t spiked past gold nearing 57% in plat + (the sample I’m looking at) and ryze isn’t comparable. He has a ult that requires team coordination. Last time I check Ezreal cannot directly effect his team anymore.
And as for your competitive argument. Are you in pro play? If not, you can’t say he broken because you don’t know. They like safety. There’s a reason riven isn’t in every game. There’s a reason jinx who is at a 53% winrate isn’t seen in every pro game.
Rock MD2 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ql4ZNLrb,comment-id=00000000000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-16T00:32:21.970+0000)
Azir had a 47% winrate, in bronze. And t spiked past gold nearing 57% in plat + (the sample I’m looking at) and ryze isn’t comparable. He has a ult that requires team coordination. Last time I check Ezreal cannot directly effect his team anymore.
And as for your competitive argument. Are you in pro play? If not, you can’t say he broken because you don’t know. They like safety. There’s a reason riven isn’t in every game. There’s a reason jinx who is at a 53% winrate isn’t seen in every pro game.
? I regularly play with D1s and Masters. I'm damn near close enough.
The thigh guy1 votes[{quoted}](name=Rock MD,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ql4ZNLrb,comment-id=000000000003000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-16T01:06:51.600+0000)
? I regularly play with D1s and Masters. I'm damn near close enough.
Okay. Fine. Well use your rank. And look at that.
48.46% winrate.
131/143. For this month.
Let’s check this week. Just to be sure he isn’t suddenly super op mlg pro 2000
48.57% winrate. Oh. So op.
125/143.
Yeah. Statistically he is one of the weakest champions in the game.
Rock MD1 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ql4ZNLrb,comment-id=0000000000030000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-16T09:03:52.027+0000)
Okay. Fine. Well use your rank. And look at that.
48.46% winrate.
131/143. For this month.
Let’s check this week. Just to be sure he isn’t suddenly super op mlg pro 2000
48.57% winrate. Oh. So op.
125/143.
Yeah. Statistically he is one of the weakest champions in the game.
Okay so what I gathered from this is you haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about
Good to know
The thigh guy1 votes[{quoted}](name=Rock MD,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ql4ZNLrb,comment-id=00000000000300000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-16T17:01:07.164+0000)
Okay so what I gathered from this is you haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about
Good to know
He is in the lowest winrates for EVERY region, and every rank. So I’m thinking youcjust like to bitch that he’s too safe for you.
So care to explain how he is soooooo op that he loses 53-52% of his games that isn’t just experience from your fee fees?
Rock MD1 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ql4ZNLrb,comment-id=000000000003000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-16T18:35:51.643+0000)
He is in the lowest winrates for EVERY region, and every rank. So I’m thinking youcjust like to bitch that he’s too safe for you.
So care to explain how he is soooooo op that he loses 53-52% of his games that isn’t just experience from your fee fees?
I told you, he does too much damage for how safe he is. He's overtuned.
I've played the champion for 5-ish years now. I'm not "bitching because I'm frustrated with the champion" this is legitimately the strongest he's been since Runeglaive and while I enjoy collecting the freelo while I can I think he needs to be looked at.
As for that second line, do you really think that pros play negative winrate champions solely because their "fee fees" tell them that champion is overpowered? Are you really that fucking dense?
I mean, I already know the answer to that but I'd like to see your justification for saying something so ignorant.
The thigh guy1 votes[{quoted}](name=Rock MD,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ql4ZNLrb,comment-id=0000000000030000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-16T19:28:02.713+0000)
I told you, he does too much damage for how safe he is. He's overtuned.
I've played the champion for 5-ish years now. I'm not "bitching because I'm frustrated with the champion" this is legitimately the strongest he's been since Runeglaive and while I enjoy collecting the freelo while I can I think he needs to be looked at.
As for that second line, do you really think that pros play negative winrate champions solely because their "fee fees" tell them that champion is overpowered? Are you really that fucking dense?
I mean, I already know the answer to that but I'd like to see your justification for saying something so ignorant.
You are yet to provide any statistical values that say he is op. All you have said is “but muh fee fees”
The closest we are going to get to pro play is Korean challenger. That is the highest tier of play outside of lcs. Lcs is irrelevant. You are not a lcs player. I am not a lcs player. No one on these boards is an lcs. Player.
Korean challenger. The region with the biggest Ezreal fetish, that ALWAYS plays him. He had a whooping 48.13% win rate. While having the most games played on him of every champion in that rank. Making this value the most accurate.
So unless you can give me an argument that isn’t just. Muh feels. Or but in pro play. You have no statistical argument.
Rock MD1 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ql4ZNLrb,comment-id=00000000000300000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-16T19:39:56.772+0000)
You are yet to provide any statistical values that say he is op. All you have said is “but muh fee fees”
The closest we are going to get to pro play is Korean challenger. That is the highest tier of play outside of lcs. Lcs is irrelevant. You are not a lcs player. I am not a lcs player. No one on these boards is an lcs. Player.
Korean challenger. The region with the biggest Ezreal fetish, that ALWAYS plays him. He had a whooping 48.13% win rate. While having the most games played on him of every champion in that rank. Making this value the most accurate.
So unless you can give me an argument that isn’t just. Muh feels. Or but in pro play. You have no statistical argument.
Winrate. Doesn't. Mean. Everything. You. Dunce.
His pickrate is massive and Ezreal is a champion that needs to stall to mid-game and has a high pickrate. He's also harder to pull off than 90% of ADs since he constantly has to be using his spells aggressively or his DPS is garbage. If you're someone who plays the champion well, you can see how strong he can be, but if you're just picking him up and you're part of the high pickrate that is a recipe for disaster when it comes to winrates.
Winrate literally only means that the champion can reliably strongarm their way to victory. There's a reason Malzahar had a 55% winrate before his rework, dropped in win%, but became a massively better champion. It's the same reason Azir is literally busted at a 47% winrate.
As for statistical arguments, I've been playing the game for 6 years and if there's one thing I've learned it's that 80% of the time there is no statistical argument that actually helps decide what should and shouldn't get nerfed. Winrates don't help, banrates don't show anything besides frustration levels, pickrates only show what was recently picked in pro (meaning you have to watch pro play to see what they think is good). The need for statistical arguments outside of extreme cases is a crutch to validate lack of game knowledge with, "hey guys look I have evidence. It's hardly usable, it's faulty, and doesn't paint any sort of realistic picture but it's a statistic so it's evidence."
OtterlyLost1 votesWith Xayah, at this point, I think its a combination of ER being weaker and the fact that they trashed Rakan. She relied on him more than he relied on her and now both are awful because he's bad.
Shiroe Okazaki1 votesI gots a build for you that makes her really strong all game IE into zeal item > then a pen item the rest is just normal build. just get a quick pen item and she hurts a lot
DaMaxturPlayur1 votes[{quoted}](name=Shiroe Okazaki,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Ql4ZNLrb,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-03-15T17:36:44.795+0000)
I gots a build for you that makes her really strong all game IE into zeal item > then a pen item the rest is just normal build. just get a quick pen item and she hurts a lot
Thank you! I will try it out!
Paroe1 votes@thread
Xayah... needs some rework, because when shes strong shes extremely oppressive and un-touchable. Even right now when shes 'weak' she can still function properly from very early on. Her W doing such obscene damage is a part of it.