So what's riot's philosophy these days now?

KesEmakk·May 26, 2019·18 votes·9,411 views

Back then according to Ghostcrawler it was: Satisfying to play, resonant theme, skill expressive, fair, unique

Because as far as i can see with this shit, it's like ah.....something like this: Fuck fairness, unique with so much overloaded shit, skill expressive with a mechanic that tilts the players and make them rage quit, which makes it satisfying to play. Oh and has a resonant theme which i don't even know what's the point of it anymore.

No really riot, your current philosophy is probably a shit one, and you seriously need a new one.

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Death by GlamourMay 26, 20196 votes

Back then according to Ghostcrawler it was: Satisfying to play, resonant theme, skill expressive, fair, unique

He doesn't even play the game...

KesEmakkMay 26, 20192 votes

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He doesn't even play the game...

Having a design philosophy and playing the game aren't exactly connected. Maybe not completely at least.

Death by GlamourMay 26, 20195 votes

Satisfying to play

KesEmakkMay 26, 20191 votes

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Technically for the player at most. Usually the critical point for riot to play the game mostly falls on the balance team and the designers. The arts for example or lore team aren't even required to play the game.

KarunamonMay 27, 20191 votes

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Technically for the player at most. Usually the critical point for riot to play the game mostly falls on the balance team and the designers. The arts for example or lore team aren't even required to play the game.

Hot take: If you don't play the game, you have no business maintaining an opinion on what's fun to play.

I'm open to having my mind changed on this.

KesEmakkMay 27, 20192 votes

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Hot take: If you don't play the game, you have no business maintaining an opinion on what's fun to play.

I'm open to having my mind changed on this.

"I don't think you need to play the game in order to design it"

GhostCrawler

"Look the people who build planes rarely pilot them but have a good idea how they work." -also GC

I can't change your mind cuz this thinking is flawed to the point that he doesn't even know how planes work. Wanna know the difference between game balance in League of Legends and plane balance in...Well planes???

SaiannaMay 27, 20192 votes

Hot take: if you don't ride a bike everyday you have no right saying anything about riding a bike. Ever.

The game got bad several years ago and only, yet surely, gets worse each year. Player retention is lowest since ever and Riot had to sacrifice decent chunk of skill factor of ranked to keep fast finding of new games.

You do NOT have to play this game every damn day to know what's wrong. Especially when Riot is still following the very same choices that made the game bad from the start.

Sure, some things change. New champions, new items, new balance. But we are talking about the foundation of the game. It's philosophy. And that hasn't budged since its last change in S4'ish.

I don't care to change your mind because your opinion, like mine, has no value for Riot and their thoughts of the future of the game. I just had to comment, cause your "hot take" irked me quite hard.

General Esdeath May 27, 20196 votes

Ashe no mobility in exchange for good damage and utility in the form of one hard CC and constant soft CC.

Good design

Ekko has high mobility, burst AND DPS damage, utility in the form of hard and soft CC, an ult that let's him deal damage/heal based on positioning.

Bad design

Riot is going for the bad designs lately

DracocrashMay 26, 20195 votes

Rework random champions and then gut them

KesEmakkMay 26, 20193 votes

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Rework random champions and then gut them

As far as reworks go, I think Akali and Irelia are the biggest fails. Though Akali is suffering the most.

AnaphielMay 27, 20191 votes

Akali is now even more indefensibly frustrating than her prior iteration, and that's saying something.

To make her not super prevalent in literally EVERY higher elo game, her design requires her to be made so weak that lower elo players are gimping their team by daring to play her.

Riot does need to stop fixing what isn't broken. And stop breaking what they just barely fixed.

SuperTopLFBottomMay 27, 20192 votes

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Rework random champions and then gut them

Give me back my old swain please.

Probably the only thing that would give me some semblance of fun in this game again.

Turned from a demonic dot warlock into a generic burst mage with rather random abilities slapped on the kit aimed at pro play which makes him too good at pro play and now he is just dead. Even less people play him than old swain. The higher you go in ranked stats the lower his playrate LUUUUUUUUUL. Thanks riot. All he needed was new visuals, new passive and maybe a new E or atleast different E. His Q and w were fine as was his R imo. The small rework made his ult fine by giving it an actual cooldown and downtime inbetween casts so you had opportunity to get on him and sorry if some people complained back then that when he scaled he became a monster. Yeah. Looking at literally every single ADC or kassadin or ryze or vlad or azir or cassiopeia or jax or gangplank or.....

Quas hates him, i hate him. Dunno what betsy thinks. Makes me sad. Fuckin legolas wanna be shit champion.

XJ99999999999999May 26, 20194 votes

$$$$$$$$$$$$

XurrealMay 26, 20194 votes

"We can't please everyone. Let's just try to please the ones who show us the most love."

Seems to be true.

I finally got a really cool Evelynn skin. I've been begging for this for years. And now I have two!

KesEmakkMay 26, 20193 votes

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XurrealMay 26, 20191 votes

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This should win an award...as the dumbest quote of all times! Yeah they truly pleased a great bunch of people with Akali and Irelia. Oh wait, there's probably more damaged laptops than ever before because of how bullshit they are. Silly me!

Damnski son. You're bashing your laptop?

Diversification. Rune bonuses are not tied to anything which reduces the overall predictability of a match.

Assyemtry. No one champion should have weakness that require niche conditions to exploit. Counter play that does exist should be apparent (vfx cleanups and hud updates). No champion should excel in too many areas (No "Best-of-both-worlds tropes" ... R.I.P. beta Kayle).

Community-Developer Symbiosis. The thing you were insulting, Riot has gone on visual record saying they are shifting focus to pleasing the player base (to within healthy reason) and will focus on the things that have been talked about the most bit always seemed to be sat in the back seat.

KesEmakkMay 26, 20191 votes

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Damnski son. You're bashing your laptop?

Diversification. Rune bonuses are not tied to anything which reduces the overall predictability of a match.

Assyemtry. No one champion should have weakness that require niche conditions to exploit. Counter play that does exist should be apparent (vfx cleanups and hud updates). No champion should excel in too many areas (No "Best-of-both-worlds tropes" ... R.I.P. beta Kayle).

Community-Developer Symbiosis. The thing you were insulting, Riot has gone on visual record saying they are shifting focus to pleasing the player base (to within healthy reason) and will focus on the things that have been talked about the most bit always seemed to be sat in the back seat.

Hey I'm not included. I'm more ended up with a broken hand due to punching the wall. Can't afford to lose my laptop cuz all my projects are stored there. Otherwise, I'll be losing grades faster than losing turret plating.

SaiannaMay 27, 20191 votes

I dunno who you have quoted but that's heavy BS Imo and definitely doesn't work well for LoL.

XurrealMay 27, 20191 votes

Oh then it sounds like you missed that video. It was posted as a link in one of the more recent patch notes within the client.

SaiannaMay 27, 20191 votes

doesn't change the fact it's BS :| At least now i know it was a sarcasm... right?

AnaphielMay 27, 20194 votes

[slayer-pantheon-rainbows]

Riot's Philosophy (By satirical induction):

We appreciate our community content creators! Lets release our own vastly inferior Baron Replays that makes editing videos a comparative nightmare! Then lets ban folks who still want to use the third party program (Don't fix what isn't broken?)

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/97iamx/why_i_hate_making_league_of_legends_videos/

We want role diversity! Go where we tell you to go dammit!

Source: Kayle Morgana KogMaw Skarner

We listen to fans when making reworks! The hell with you Kayle fanboys we're doing this MY WAY!

Source: .... I miss being able to be a guardian angel. Or a champion at all before level 11. Or being properly ranged. I don't need an idiotic unstoppable true damage gimmick, I want to play my favorite angel without needing to bring lube or a pocket jungler!

We don't balance exclusively for pro-play/high elo! Yi/Jax/etc. are only a problem in low elo! How dare the unwashed masses be able to play Sejuani Shen Azir without living in constant fear of nerfs, and sitting at 40% winrates (Sej is at least playable now)!

Source: Sej/Shen patch history for the entirety of season 8. Sej in general post-rework.

I'm Scitzofrenic and so am I! The beatings will continue until morale improves!

I'm not sure they have a cohesive philosophy so much as a barrel of poorly directed good intentions that are making the game quite frustrating at the moment.

ScryerMay 27, 20192 votes

"Be a perfect politically correct compliant little loser cuck or we will ban you. " -rIoT gAmES

boricCentaur1May 26, 20191 votes

Love that you give 0 proof for any of this. Like you give a description of yas which actually makes no sense since basically every new champions has been pretty fair.

Like what overloaded stuff name them and I bet it's going to be something that's proves your using the word wrong too.

KesEmakkMay 26, 201911 votes

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Love that you give 0 proof for any of this. Like you give a description of yas which actually makes no sense since basically every new champions has been pretty fair.

Like what overloaded stuff name them and I bet it's going to be something that's proves your using the word wrong too.

"every new champions has been pretty fair"

Are you sure? Every new champion? Including the reworked? I guess Irelia and Akali were fair at this point. Oh no, let's ignore the outrage about them.

boricCentaur1May 26, 20191 votes

If you even think for 1 second that either of them are less fair then before reworks then you are lying to yourself.

Also again 0 proof you're just saying stuff without anything to back it up.

KesEmakkMay 26, 20192 votes

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If you even think for 1 second that either of them are less fair then before reworks then you are lying to yourself.

Also again 0 proof you're just saying stuff without anything to back it up.

Never said they were also fair before rework.

Not in the mood for proofs and making a wall of texts really.

boricCentaur1May 26, 20191 votes

Then your post makes no sense and is wrong if you can't proof they are less fair. Like post is about the current philosophy and if it makes more fair champions vs the old one then you're just wrong and you're going against what you said.

KesEmakkMay 26, 20191 votes

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Then your post makes no sense and is wrong if you can't proof they are less fair. Like post is about the current philosophy and if it makes more fair champions vs the old one then you're just wrong and you're going against what you said.

Ugh fine, you want proof? I'll give you some proof. KES EMAK

boricCentaur1May 27, 20191 votes

Just give up your wrong deal with it. You don't give proof since you have none.

KesEmakkMay 27, 20191 votes

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Just give up your wrong deal with it. You don't give proof since you have none.

Zoe- missing an EQ combo should mean she should be punished but NOOOO her w and its passive along with built in Lich Bane is her cheap failsafe

Irelia- overloaded helicopter that even Morello said she's a fuck up by the team before the rework too.

Akali- overloaded mess of a champion that catching her is like catching a ghost. Whoever thought true stealth was a good idea along with ad and ap scaling should have their head checked for any mental illnesses.

Sylas- supposed to be strong from his ulti. But even without his ulti he is still strong.

Here's your stinking proof. Should fuckin go on?

Oh not enough for you? Well then again: KES EMAK.

boricCentaur1May 27, 20191 votes

Zoe: yes Irelia: You are going AGAINST your main point. You said riots current philosophy is bad but if it creates better balanced champions then it's better. Akali: one you don't know what the word overloaded means so please don't use it. Two: again she is more fair after the rework meaning riots current philosophy is better.

Sylas: Is supposed to be good without his ult just like ANY other champion idk why you think this but it's wrong.

KesEmakkMay 27, 20191 votes

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Zoe: yes Irelia: You are going AGAINST your main point. You said riots current philosophy is bad but if it creates better balanced champions then it's better. Akali: one you don't know what the word overloaded means so please don't use it. Two: again she is more fair after the rework meaning riots current philosophy is better.

Sylas: Is supposed to be good without his ult just like ANY other champion idk why you think this but it's wrong.

Overloaded: having too much shit in something.

Idk what overloaded means to you but holy shit. Akali had like 8 shit shoved in her passive + Q that no other champion even had. That was a world record of that I think.

PositiveMental41May 26, 20192 votes

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boricCentaur1May 26, 20191 votes

So asking for proof and saying someone is wrong while using proof is being a riot fanboy lol, unlike you who will hate for the sake for hating since you want to be mad at something. Learn how to think for yourself pls.

FilDaFunkMay 27, 20192 votes

Where's your proof?

boricCentaur1May 27, 20191 votes

Proof for what? Proof for me asking for proof?

FilDaFunkMay 27, 20192 votes

If you even think for 1 second that either of them are less fair then before reworks then you are lying to yourself.

You're making a few other points that you're not backing up, even though you ar edemanding people back themselves up.

SaezioMay 27, 20191 votes

Count the percentage of the last 30 champs released/reworked that appear in pro(pick or ban) compared to the percentage of old champs used in the same games. Then, if these champs hold more than 20% of the spots they are better than their old counterparts.

If all champs were equally strong, the 30 first champs released would have the same play/ban rate as the last 30 champs. Which doesn't happen at all.

boricCentaur1May 27, 20191 votes

Are you trolling? Since the idea is just stupid and makes no sense new champions are better and that's how it should be since old champions had no where close to the level of time and people working on them as now. A lot of the first 30 have been reworked or have been unbalanced messes fiddle,mundo,jax, like have you actually played in metas where old champions were good there not fun. It was soooo fun when Anivia could just make a game go to 40 mins by just clearing waves, and who doesn't love Garen it's not like he has been one of the most complained about champions in low elo since release o wait HE HAS.

Also riot has slowed champion release down a lot meaning I would have to go to champions related in 2014 maybe 2013 THAT A LONG TIME AGO.

SaezioMay 27, 20191 votes

Errr, I am giving you proof that new champs are stronger than old champions.

which you just acknowledged yourself so... My job here is done.

You said new champs are fair. Fair would mean they are as strong as the older champs, which is not the case. New/reworked champs are way stronger than old champs. So, good job understanding what you said was not true.

You don't even have to go that far back. Compare the last 30 to the 30 before that. It's the same deal, new shit is way overpowered.

As for your anivia point, yeah there was a time when macro was relevant, and you could defend your own towers. That time is long gone and games are decided by who presses buttons faster. Even in pro that is the case right now.

Garen was never meta, so idk wtf you talking about. Even season 2 garen wasn't being picked in pro, with god knows how many less champs.

boricCentaur1May 27, 20191 votes

So you are trolling since bring fair and balance are not the same. Fair means how fair is champion is to fight and balance is how good a champion is in comparison to other champions.

So new shit is not overpower like most champions that come out are weak not strong.

Also you did not even read my post since I never said garen was good.

SaezioMay 27, 20191 votes

Ok pal. You're a lost cause if you think balanced and fair are different.

Balanced means they are as strong as the rest of the roster.

Fair means they are not stronger than the rest of the roster.

You also included "fair" in the definition of "fair". xD wtf

"fair means how fair is champion is to fight" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

And I guess balanced means balanced. xD

loli fidlerMay 26, 20191 votes

"i like money"

xXDiddimsXxMay 27, 20191 votes

super creep feelsbad

qss0May 27, 20191 votes

Overload and oneshot everything

PadoµchMay 27, 20191 votes

And I thought Zoe is just broken, with her bubble and RNG W + using your own summs against you... but Sylas, that can steal your ult, even tho you dont even have it yet... like, ok GJ!

The thigh guyMay 27, 20191 votes

All damage Only damage Exclusively damage Always damage.

Z3SleeperMay 28, 20191 votes

Their philosophy is not having a philosophy now. Just throw shit at the wall and see what sticks.

haaaaaaalpMay 28, 20191 votes

They are aware of how bad their philosophy has been and that they need a new one. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/qzzu5y4t-champion-weaknesses-in-2019

The unfortunate thing is that the community also made riot slow down the rate at which it changes stuff so they aren't able to change the problems created by their prior philosophy fast enough.