Revert Shiv Nerfs For Melee Champs?

KFC Lovin Cat··1 votes·669 views

@Meddler The last nerf shiv recieved was shiv lightning damage reduced and bonus damage to minions removed. From what I understand, this was to nerf adcs' pushing power. This was kind of a bummer for Tryndamere because you were forced to go the Tiamat build for efficient clearing. When the new crit items were released on PBE and i began to theory craft, I started thinking about shiv's potential for Tryndamere in patch 8.10. I thought of all the melee champs that took shiv the most, and all I could think of was Tryn, Yas, and Yi. To me, it didn't seem like the shiv nerf was meant for those three champs, so I thought would there be any harm in reverting the bonus damage to minions and making it only apply to melee champs? This would open a lot more flexibility for item builds, especially for tryn. I know that riot has said they want more builds for champs as long as their balanced, and I don't see how this change could dramatically change the meta.

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Daze Clover1 votes

Tryndamere jung has a 54% winrate and you want another buff. Shake my head!

KFC Lovin Cat1 votes

That depends where that information is coming from. 50 recorded games of tryn jg is not a very accurate representation. And the buff I am asking for is just for wave clear. You can clear faster with tiamat than shiv and all I am asking is to give tiamat competition with shiv so there can be more unique builds, not just tiamat > AS boots > PD > ER > Rageblade > Hydra > IE every game. Not asking to make shiv one shot people. Just revert the dmg to minions buff and make it for melee champs only.

Vid the Strange1 votes

I don't see why this is such a big issue for Tryndamere in particular.

He innately has critical chance, so he has a higher chance of getting Shiv to crit anyway, not to mention autos and crits lowering the cooldown on his E for more AoE damage.

Yasuo would probably still build PD anyway since Lament helps with how squishy he actually is.

Is Yi even played outside of the jungle? AFAIK, Shiv never even did bonus damage to monsters, only minions.

KFC Lovin Cat1 votes

Yes, that's why I said I don't think this change would effect the meta much. My point is that it has taken a toll for tryn's waveclear if you plan on buying shiv. It is a lot more efficient to waveclear with tiamat. This just makes everyone build the Tiamat + PD build instead of using multiple builds.

In s7, tryn's build paths were perfectly unique. Players like fogged took shiv, and players like Boxer Pete (RIP) took tiamat. There was hardly a difference between their clear speeds. After shiv was nerfed, it wasn't as big of a deal because people could still use the tiamat build. The prob now is with the ER changes, the tiamat build is a lot worse. I think there are some shiv builds that would work very well in 8.10, but because of the lackluster clear speed it's just not worth it.

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