Is karthus still still viable or good?

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Karthus

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Tsohgder15 votes

Short answer: yes. Long answer: yes he is.

Chessburger3 votes

What the hell, that was the exact same thing I was thinking when I read the title and it's the first comment...

Now that freaked me out.

Joe Dredd3 votes

Every champion is viable. The only champion I'd tell you wasn't viable is poppy because she's cancer and no one should play her

BerserkGoldfish2 votes

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Every champion is viable. The only champion I'd tell you wasn't viable is poppy because she's cancer and no one should play her

She's not bad in the jungle. I mean, golems>blue>gromp>drag is a pretty solid jangling path. shes just objective control until 25-30 minutes in.

Teémò1 votes

don't mind phone he wouldn't know "viable", people hate poppy because they just don't understand her, she's an amazing jungler and no she's not about just objectives level 6 means time to gank all the lanes and get fed as hell :P im a poppy main Poppy proud of it :P she's like riven most people just refund her because there like wtf i ult my enimie and they run away hahaha she seems simple but there's alot of skill in playing her :P

Duke Anax1 votes

Poppy is really good at tower diving because she wont take any damage for 6-8 seconds.

Joe Dredd1 votes

Not just damage, also basically un-ccable

Joe Dredd4 votes

People don't hate poppy because they dont understand her. People hate poppy because she's the definition of unfun to play against. I'd rather go versus 5 leblancs than have a single poppy on the enemy team.

Wheatloaf1 votes

"Lemme just recall under turret-- aaaaaaand it's Poppy. Hi Poppy. Fuck you too."

wicked eraser3 votes

i don't think karthus is good at all, last time i played karthus went to the end game i had full build and 1 vs 1 against enemy khazix (prob also full build). he went in, i exhausted him right away, turned on pool, q spam with 80% accuracy. and he killed me, i q some more, ulted as well. and he still lived after that. when a mid laner lose to jungler 1 vs 1 with full buiid you know it sucks. btw incase you wondering i always build karthus the same roa Seraph's Embrace (i used it) deathcap, zyonya (don't remember if i used this against khazix or not), void staff, and boots. don't remember if i had the ap elixer either. the fact that he killed me and walked away even after i exhausted nearly everything is a no brainer how shit karthus as a champ is.

Dar Raksada14 votes

You were trying to 1v1 an assassin, not just any assassin, but kha'zix, you were probably isolated as well.

Besides, Karthus isn't a 1v1 champ, he's a teamfighter

Buttigieg 20206 votes

Maybe just maybe you shouldn't be 1v1 ing a full damage kha zix while you are Isolated as a squishy Mage .

JimmyJohn16231 votes

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Maybe just maybe you shouldn't be 1v1 ing a full damage kha zix while you are Isolated as a squishy Mage .

So should I buy him?

Redus1 votes

If you like a mage with limited mobility and steady, aoe dps like Karthus, Anivia, Swain then sure, but if you prefer mobility or burst like Lb, Ahri, and Talon then you probably won't enjoy him as much. Keep in mind when it comes to viability at your level everyone is viable man. It's all about farming, trading, vision, mechanics, etc.. So if you get better at those things with any champion you can dominate. Nobody here can tell you if you're going to really like a champion after you get them though. It's up to you, so just do some research (youtube the champion) then have fun and/or learn to get really good with that champion and take them into solo q and climb. gl, I hope that helped.

LICENSED HOOKER5 votes

hes a teamfighter

more like kill "securer"

B1naryB0t2 votes

As my duoQ partner says: "If I participated in it, I earned it.

Narasimha2 votes

Or as Karthus says "If they're low on health, I earned it."

Gengar3 votes

If no one plays him in LCS in the next month, no. (By the community's standards).

Teémò2 votes

yea he's pretty good however his strength lies in his E if someone like lux or tf misses there skill shot on you, then you can engage on them with your E and spam Q well doing so thus why exhaust and ghost are better for him then flash ignite, unless of course your doing some sort of homegaurd teleport karthus gank, which although silly is effective but like swain you need to not pull the plug on your mana, so its either to all in or to do severe poke because they have no way of fighting it c: Karthus

thinking man2 votes

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yea he's pretty good however his strength lies in his E if someone like lux or tf misses there skill shot on you, then you can engage on them with your E and spam Q well doing so thus why exhaust and ghost are better for him then flash ignite, unless of course your doing some sort of homegaurd teleport karthus gank, which although silly is effective but like swain you need to not pull the plug on your mana, so its either to all in or to do severe poke because they have no way of fighting it c: Karthus

? Karthus's best skill is his Q; he can all-in a lot of champs at level 3 because of it.

BerserkGoldfish1 votes

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? Karthus's best skill is his Q; he can all-in a lot of champs at level 3 because of it.

Karthus's best skill is his passive.

Champion Skin1 votes

Well his passive would be kind of useless if the rest of his abilities were garbage

AsToldByGinger1 votes

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? Karthus's best skill is his Q; he can all-in a lot of champs at level 3 because of it.

do u read?

Champion Skin2 votes

I am no expert on Karthus however I believe he is still pretty strong

He scales well and can be incredibly strong in teamfights doing huge amounts of damage and even if you focus and kill him he will still deal lots of damage (especially if your allies can keep the fight on top of your passive/corpse)

however he is a rather passive champion who mostly just sit and farm trying to scale and stronger... and mostly just assisting by using his ult and his laning phase isn't the best (he isn't bad though as he does deal good damage if you are able to land Q's on the enemy however he is often squishy and vulnerable given that he has no mobility)

oh and he is also pretty good at taking baron/dragon as his Q works pretty well at them

Bârd2 votes

SHHHHH!!!!!

Dont remind riot he exists!

They might "Compensate" him for dfg or some shit!!!

PenguinOverlord81 votes

Omg xD

Only Play Darius1 votes

Yes. Just very difficult to use and vulnerable to people who can jump on him, and also takes FOREVER to scale up his AP and mana pool, but it's worth the wait, IF you can get there.

It's the same problem with Cassiopeia

AFK Push1 votes

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Yes. Just very difficult to use and vulnerable to people who can jump on him, and also takes FOREVER to scale up his AP and mana pool, but it's worth the wait, IF you can get there.

It's the same problem with Cassiopeia

andAnivia

RookPusher1 votes

He's a good range-champ. So take him if you want poke. And he can pick up a ton of assists with his ult.

The Ellimiist1 votes

Apparently the highest (or one of) winrate when mained over 125+ games, higher than riven even. So yes?

GundayMonday1 votes

Yes. Just not AS GOOD in the tank meta. When playing against a bunch of squishy assassins, he had more than enough time to dish out tons of damage and his ultimate did more damage as a % of total health.

Now that 6k HP Volibear and 5k HP Chogath and 4k HP Nautilus with a 1k HP shield can sustain through his damage pretty easily.

So yeah, still strong. Just not as good of a pick compared to when everyone was running squishy assassins instead of beefy tanks.

AFK Push1 votes

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Yes. Just not AS GOOD in the tank meta. When playing against a bunch of squishy assassins, he had more than enough time to dish out tons of damage and his ultimate did more damage as a % of total health.

Now that 6k HP Volibear and 5k HP Chogath and 4k HP Nautilus with a 1k HP shield can sustain through his damage pretty easily.

So yeah, still strong. Just not as good of a pick compared to when everyone was running squishy assassins instead of beefy tanks.

It should be noted that all of that health stacking is good against burst damage. Karthus like Anivia do a shit ton of aoe sustained magic damage which allows them to be teamfighting monsters and tank melters, as long as you have a good initiator you can suicide bomb in no probs.

GundayMonday1 votes

I agree with you for sure. Problem is you have sustained damage for maybe 10s if they do a good job of focusing you down. Anivia at least can re-position entire teams with her wall and ult is on a short cd.

AFK Push1 votes

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I agree with you for sure. Problem is you have sustained damage for maybe 10s if they do a good job of focusing you down. Anivia at least can re-position entire teams with her wall and ult is on a short cd.

In Soloqueue a lot of people aren't smart enough to stay out of his E's range, and Karthus will go in and die knowing that in a teamfight they will be trying to deal with the other 4 people, so even if he's dead his e will still do work and he will just throw skittles or ult to finish that fight.

GundayMonday1 votes

Yeah. I'd rather plan around the possibility that my teammates and enemies know what they're doing though. You could make the argument that any champ is good against a noob enemy. :-)

AFK Push1 votes

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Yeah. I'd rather plan around the possibility that my teammates and enemies know what they're doing though. You could make the argument that any champ is good against a noob enemy. :-)

Naa this is yoloqueue, and people haven't played against enough karthus lately to understand or remember how to play against him. In this case, maybe you shouldn't dive the karthus? Just saying guys.

Shroom Junkie1 votes

I've played Karthus. Late-game, you 3-shot squishies from range. If they're alone anyway. And if you just barely miss... ULTI!!

LICENSED HOOKER1 votes

hes free

Saianna1 votes

Dunno how he's doing in other modes, but in ARAM he's more than fine. Especially with mark-dash spell :)

Keevalroy1 votes

Not sure, haven't tested him - won't play him until Revive comes back.

Jeanne fan club1 votes

Yeah, he is amazing in teamfights and can be a support powerhouse. All you have to do in the early game is survive and farm until it comes time to teamfight, then reck and repeat.

ShaftyMegee1 votes

You mean penta steal karthus? Yes

XxxLumberJackxxX1 votes

I like karthus. I haven't been able to do well with him in a while. I feel like his E does no dmg late game

Daddy Dennis

He's better and more viable as a late pick. If the other team decides to go super shield on you then your game will probably be very frustrating.

The key to Karth is maximum melting. Get your item 3040 by 20-22 minutes. Spell vamp is essential item 3152 . Spend nothing on armor or MR. You WANT people to come at you. Death is no big deal. Avoid item 3285 item 3157 item 1076 item 3174

The only real option with his current kit depends on your confidence. item 3041 is the item for when you feel confident. item 3135 and item 3026 for a more conservative approach. item 3165 for very rare games with many tanks.

His best end game in almost all situations is: item 3258 item 3089 item 3152 item 3040 item 3135 item 3026

Flashing into the other team with your item 3040 shield on and item 3026 ready is the move to break logjams at towers. It's a base breaker. It requires very little if any help from your team.

Hope that helped! I've been having success with it recently.

AFK Push2 votes

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He's better and more viable as a late pick. If the other team decides to go super shield on you then your game will probably be very frustrating.

The key to Karth is maximum melting. Get your item 3040 by 20-22 minutes. Spell vamp is essential item 3152 . Spend nothing on armor or MR. You WANT people to come at you. Death is no big deal. Avoid item 3285 item 3157 item 1076 item 3174

The only real option with his current kit depends on your confidence. item 3041 is the item for when you feel confident. item 3135 and item 3026 for a more conservative approach. item 3165 for very rare games with many tanks.

His best end game in almost all situations is: item 3258 item 3089 item 3152 item 3040 item 3135 item 3026

Flashing into the other team with your item 3040 shield on and item 3026 ready is the move to break logjams at towers. It's a base breaker. It requires very little if any help from your team.

Hope that helped! I've been having success with it recently.

No matter what he has one of the safest ways to farm in the game, making even hard lanes more tolerable.

Daddy Dennis1 votes

Agreed. Just went 22-7-11 with a quad in ranked using these tips. Thanks for the reply!

AFK Push1 votes

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Agreed. Just went 22-7-11 with a quad in ranked using these tips. Thanks for the reply!

We miss you revive Karthus, but seriously good job man. You made them taste that rainbow didn't you?

Daddy Dennis1 votes

Thanks and yes I did! Flashing into the other team with defile and embrace is endless face melting fun!

I never got down with revive. TP is OP!

AFK Push1 votes

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Thanks and yes I did! Flashing into the other team with defile and embrace is endless face melting fun!

I never got down with revive. TP is OP!

the homeguard tp on karthus lol they can't say no.

Daddy Dennis1 votes

Need that cd on flash though. The Blue Light special. Even more fun when a Shen times his ult with everything on. Unstoppable.

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